Oh, fuuuuuck! Someone tell me why I tried to engage Robert on a topic.....shit.
Sorry Robert. I didn't mean to rile ya -- long ago I decided you were one of the lost ones whose posts show someone with a belief system that is, as they say, all over the map. I doubt anyone here could write anything about your beliefs and nail it -- can even you write a solid paragraph about your spiritual axioms that allow you to quote all manner of channelers and a host of skanky posts of vile elitism? Since, from you reply, I see that you are unwilling to accept the Bible as any kind of authentic documentation of Christianity, there's no use quoting from it to you. Your request for me to cite a passage that shows that Christ's disciples were able to do siddhis was, therefore, a ruse -- bait merely -- you wanted to show that you think the Bible is a propaganda piece of the early Mafia. Why the fuck didn't you say so in the first place, ya creep? I took some goodly time to find the quote I sent you, and it was merely a wild goose chase you sent me on. Fuck your agenda, fuck your cut and pasting here, fuck your intent to avoid any serious discussions, and instead of saying to hell with you, since you're already in a hell of your own design, let me merely suggest you take stock of the pain you're feeling right now -- does ya feels it -- does ya feels that nihilistic flame licking your flesh off your spiritual bones? On the other hand, since it sucks to be you, out of compassion, let me tell you that from your posts, I do think there's an outside chance that you could get your shit together if you found a psychologist who specializes in talking folks down from cult mindsets. But, probably, life won't bang you hard enough to drive you to such a therapist. Seems you've got some independence in life such that you can spout crappola and not lose your cash flow. I can't imagine you working for anyone with the loose grip on reality that you have -- share with us how you survive in this world when you're probably pissing folks off right and left with your frantic spew. And note, I'm not unlike you in several regards, so on the basis of "it takes one to know one," listen to a fellow traveler and get some help. Try writing that paragraph about your core beliefs -- it could do wonders for your clarity. Edg PS Here's more about "raising the dead" in the Bible: The Bible records that Elijah, Elisha, Peter, and Paul raised the dead, as well as Jesus Christ. Should we raise the dead? * Jesus told His disciples to raise the dead. MATTHEW 10:8 NKJ 8 "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. * Jesus told His disciples they were to teach others to do everything He had commanded them -- even to the end of the age. MATTHEW 28:18-20 NKJ 18 Then Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. * Jesus said believers would also do the works that He did. JOHN 14:12 NKJ 12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. But, obviously, raising the dead cannot be put in exactly the same category as healing the sick. Scripture mentions only three people that Jesus raised from death, while multitudes were healed by Him. Healing is God's will for everyone who will receive it, but coming back to earth after dying is not the will of God for everyone. Notice that almost all the people raised from death in Scripture were young. We should never try to raise someone from death unless we are sure it is the will of God. In this, we must be led by God's Spirit. When we are certain of God's will, we should command with authority and not give up. Death is an enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26), and at the Name of Jesus every knee must bow (Phil. 2:9-10). Elijah 1 KINGS 17:17-24 NKJ 17 Now it happened after these things that the son of the woman who owned the house became sick. And his sickness was so serious that there was no breath left in him. 18 So she said to Elijah, "What have I to do with you, O man of God? Have you come to me to bring my sin to remembrance, and to kill my son?" 19 And he said to her, "Give me your son." So he took him out of her arms and carried him to the upper room where he was staying, and laid him on his own bed. 20 Then he cried out to the Lord and said, "O Lord my God, have You also brought tragedy on the widow with whom I lodge, by killing her son?" 21 And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the Lord and said, "O Lord my God, I pray, let this child's soul come back to him." 22 Then the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came back to him, and he revived. 23 And Elijah took the child and brought him down from the upper room into the house, and gave him to his mother. And Elijah said, "See, your son lives!" 24 Then the woman said to Elijah, "Now by this I know that you are a man of God, and that the word of the Lord in your mouth is the truth." Elisha 2 KINGS 4:17-37 NKJ 17 And the woman conceived, and bore a son when the appointed time had come, of which Elisha had told her. 18 So the child grew. Now it happened one day that he went out to his father, to the reapers. 19 And he said to his father, "My head, my head!" So he said to a servant, "Carry him to his mother." 20 When he had taken him and brought him to his mother, he sat on her knees till noon, and then died. 21 And she went up and laid him on the bed of the man of God, shut the door upon him, and went out. 22 Then she called to her husband, and said, "Please send me one of the young men and one of the donkeys, that I may run to the man of God and come back." 23 So he said, "Why are you going to him today? It is neither the New Moon nor the Sabbath." And she said, "It is well." 24 Then she saddled a donkey, and said to her servant, "Drive, and go forward; do not slacken the pace for me unless I tell you." 25 So she departed, and went to the man of God at Mount Carmel. And so it was, when the man of God saw her afar off, that he said to his servant Gehazi, "Look, there is the Shunammite woman. 26 "Please run now to meet her, and say to her, `Is it well with you? Is it well with your husband? Is it well with the child?'" And she answered, "It is well." 27 Now when she came to the man of God at the hill, she caught him by the feet, but Gehazi came near to push her away. But the man of God said, "Let her alone; for her soul is in deep distress, and the Lord has hidden it from me, and has not told me." 28 And she said, "Did I ask a son of my lord? Did I not say, `Do not deceive me'?" 29 Then he said to Gehazi, "Get yourself ready, and take my staff in your hand, and be on your way. If you meet anyone, do not greet him; and if anyone greets you, do not answer him; but lay my staff on the face of the child." 30 And the mother of the child said, "As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you." So he arose and followed her. 31 Now Gehazi went on ahead of them, and laid the staff on the face of the child; but there was neither voice nor hearing. Therefore he went back to meet him, and told him, saying, "The child has not awakened." 32 And when Elisha came into the house, there was the child, lying dead on his bed. 33 He went in therefore, shut the door behind the two of them, and prayed to the Lord. 34 And he went up and lay on the child, and put his mouth on his mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hands on his hands; and he stretched himself out on the child, and the flesh of the child became warm. 35 He returned and walked back and forth in the house, and again went up and stretched himself out on him; then the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes. 36 And he called Gehazi and said, "Call this Shunammite woman." So he called her. And when she came in to him, he said, "Pick up your son." 37 So she went in, fell at his feet, and bowed to the ground; then she picked up her son and went out. Widow's Son From Nain LUKE 7:11-15 NKJ 11 Now it happened, the day after, that He went into a city called Nain; and many of His disciples went with Him, and a large crowd. 12 And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her. 13 When the Lord saw her, He had compassion on her and said to her, "Do not weep." 14 Then He came and touched the open coffin, and those who carried him stood still. And He said, "Young man, I say to you, arise." 15 And he who was dead sat up and began to speak. And He presented him to his mother. Jairus' Daughter MATTHEW 9:18-19, 23-25 NKJ 18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, "My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live." 19 So Jesus arose and followed him, and so did His disciples. 23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd wailing, 24 He said to them, "Make room, for the girl is not dead, but sleeping." And they laughed Him to scorn. 25 But when the crowd was put outside, He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose. MARK 5:22-24, 35-43 NKJ 22 And behold, one of the rulers of the synagogue came, Jairus by name. And when he saw Him, he fell at His feet 23 and begged Him earnestly, saying, "My little daughter lies at the point of death. Come and lay Your hands on her, that she may be healed, and she will live." 24 So Jesus went with him, and a great multitude followed Him and thronged Him. 35 While He was still speaking, some came from the ruler of the synagogue's house who said, "Your daughter is dead. Why trouble the Teacher any further?" 36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, He said to the ruler of the synagogue, "Do not be afraid; only believe." 37 And He permitted no one to follow Him except Peter, James, and John the brother of James. 38 Then He came to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and saw a tumult and those who wept and wailed loudly. 39 When He came in, He said to them, "Why make this commotion and weep? The child is not dead, but sleeping." 40 And they laughed Him to scorn. But when He had put them all out, He took the father and the mother of the child, and those who were with Him, and entered where the child was lying. 41 Then He took the child by the hand, and said to her, "Talitha, cumi," which is translated, "Little girl, I say to you, arise." 42 Immediately the girl arose and walked, for she was twelve years of age. And they were overcome with great amazement. 43 But He commanded them strictly that no one should know it, and said that something should be given her to eat. LUKE 8:41-42, 49-56 NKJ 41 And behold, there came a man named Jairus, and he was a ruler of the synagogue. And he fell down at Jesus' feet and begged Him to come to his house, 42 for he had an only daughter about twelve years of age, and she was dying. But as He went, the multitudes thronged Him. 49 While He was still speaking, someone came from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, "Your daughter is dead. Do not trouble the Teacher." 50 But when Jesus heard it, He answered him, saying, "Do not be afraid; only believe, and she will be made well." 51 When He came into the house, He permitted no one to go in except Peter, James, and John, and the father and mother of the girl. 52 Now all wept and mourned for her; but He said, "Do not weep; she is not dead, but sleeping." 53 And they laughed Him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. 54 But He put them all out, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Little girl, arise." 55 Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat. 56 And her parents were astonished, but He charged them to tell no one what had happened. Jesus Raised Lazarus JOHN 11:38-44 NKJ 38 Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. 39 Jesus said, "Take away the stone." Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, "Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days." 40 Jesus said to her, "Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?" 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. 42 "And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me." 43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!" 44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Loose him, and let him go." Jesus Answers John The Baptist MATTHEW 11:4-5 NKJ 4 Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and tell John the things which you hear and see: 5 "The blind receive their sight and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them. LUKE 7:22 NKJ 22 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the gospel preached to them. Peter Raises Tabitha ACTS 9:36-42 NKJ 36 At Joppa there was a certain disciple named Tabitha, which is translated Dorcas. This woman was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did. 37 But it happened in those days that she became sick and died. When they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. 38 And since Lydda was near Joppa, and the disciples had heard that Peter was there, they sent two men to him, imploring him not to delay in coming to them. 39 Then Peter arose and went with them. When he had come, they brought him to the upper room. And all the widows stood by him weeping, showing the tunics and garments which Dorcas had made while she was with them. 40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, "Tabitha, arise." And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up. 41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive. 42 And it became known throughout all Joppa, and many believed on the Lord. Paul Raises Young Man ACTS 20:7-12 NKJ 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together. 9 And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead. 10 But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, "Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him." 11 Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed. 12 And they brought the young man in alive, and they were not a little comforted. God JOHN 5:21 NKJ 21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. ACTS 26:8 NKJ 8 "Why should it be thought incredible by you that God raises the dead? LUKE 20:38 NKJ 38 "For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." --- In [email protected], "Robert" <babajii...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Matthew 10 > > Jesus Sends Out the Twelve > > 1 He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to > > drive out evil[a] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness. > > > > [snip} > > > > 5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not > > go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. > > > > 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. > > > > 7 As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' > > > > 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[b]drive > > out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. > > > > Does the above satisfy ya, Robert? > > > > Edg > > > 1. The Bible was written by the Roman's and for the Roman's... > They took all references of Jewishness, out of their Roman interpretation. > They used the symbol of Roman torture, terrorism and death for the thousands > of Jewish People they killed with this, as their symbol for the teachings of > Yeshua bin Joseph... > > 2. The Bible was revised by the Royals of Europe, to keep the authority of > the Royals, intact, and to deny the Pope full power... > > 3. It is true, that Yeshua bin Joseph did drive demons from the people...he > would take them away, to the oasis in the desert, and have them, purify > themselves, much as Maharishi did, when he has people come to resident > courses... > > 4. It is true, that most of his followers and all of his disciples were > Jewish, and that they continued to have many followers of the Jewish > Heritage, who were sent to Rome, to act as entertainment for the Roman > Aristocracy, who enjoyed getting drunk, and watch people be tortured maimed > and killed, before they would go to their orgies... > > 5. There is no where in the Bible, where any disciple was able to perform any > 'Miracle'... > This was because, there was not only a lack of consciousness of the > disciples, but also the lack of consciousness of the Romans and the Royals > who interpreted the Bible, and did not want any of the 'Common Folk' to > believe they had any power, for themselves, but kept the authority, either in > Rome, through the Popa, or by insisting that the 'Center of Christianity was > in Greece, or Russia, or wherever they needed the political boost from the > 'Teachings of Yeshua'... > > Yeshua himself, was disappointed with the 'Consciousness' of the disciples, > much the same, as Maharishi was disappointed with the 'Consciousness' of his > students... > > 5. Rome destroyed Yeshua's beloved Israel, in 74 AD, drove the Jewish people > to scatter throughtout the world... > Which was just one of the many 'Holocausts' the Jewish People, and their > Messiah, have had to go through. > The teachings of Yeshua, has been perverted, throughout time, > so, and even people like Hitler and Bush, used the teachings for their own > political advantage... > > Yeshua was 'Apolitical'... > > Does that answer your questions, adequately, Edg.? > > Robert. >
