--- In [email protected], sgrayatlarge <no_re...@...> wrote: > > One obviously accepts what one wishes to accept - and rejects what one > wishes to reject. > > > Understanding based on wishful thinking
The statement that 'one obviously accepts what one wishes to accept - and rejects what one wishes to reject' is wishful thinking? > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], sgrayatlarge <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you facts to show this event really happened? > > > > > > > > > > Of course you don't, nobody does, so it's a story or perhaps > > > > > a legend > > > > > > > > The story appears in two versions of Guru Dev's biography > > > > which was essentially a compilation of discourses by Guru > > > > Dev written down by his disciples wherein he described his > > > > own personal experiences. > > > > > > > > Maybe he or they lied, eh? > > > > > > Similarly, if one looks at the life of Frederick > > > Lenz - Rama, there are compilations of accounts > > > by hundreds of his students (including my accounts) > > > that report any number of phenomena that most would > > > consider "miracles" or the performance of siddhis. > > > They are equally true, right? :-) > > > > > > > And maybe even though Guru Dev was considered to have > > > > reached the highest pinnacle of spiritual development... > > > > > > By whom? By people who had a vested interest in > > > protecting their "investment" of time and energy > > > and their lives into his teachings. You went > > > through the TM movement, and saw how willing > > > people were to pass along rumors and make up > > > stuff to justify *that* investment of time and > > > energy and their lives, right? And you think that > > > things were somehow *different* around Guru Dev? > > > > > > > ...the use of the siddhis is total bullshit after all. > > > > Ya think? > > > > > > Unlike most (if not all) of you on this forum, I > > > have witnessed siddhis being performed. Were they > > > "real," in the sense that they would have been > > > captured by a video camera recording the events? > > > Beats the shit outa me. Were they "real" in the > > > sense that I and hundreds of others witnessed > > > them and reported witnessing them? You betcha. > > > > > > So what makes any of these reports of siddhis > > > any different than the ones you believe that > > > Guru Dev performed? The fact that you feel an > > > emotionoal resonance with him? That's real > > > scientific. :-) > > > > > > It's a story, John. Unless you were there at the > > > time to witness it yourself, you have *no idea* > > > whether it is a true story or not. And my point > > > is that even if you *had* been there you would > > > not know. All that you would "know" is what you > > > saw, or convinced yourself that you saw. That > > > is not the same thing as "truth." > > > > > > I can accept this, having witnessed siddhis. > > > Why can't you, having not? > > > > > > > > > > > One obviously accepts what one wishes to accept - and rejects what one > > wishes to reject. > > >
