--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But subjective for whom? For an outside observer (presumably like > > you) who have a subjective view of what they think SSRI's do to > > another's mental state? Or a direct subjective report of an SRRI > > user on the effects on them -- their depression, anger, OCD or > > general "rawness" casued by serotonin deficiency? > > > > I assume you mean the former. Which has little relevance, IMO. Who > > cares what an (often uninformed) bystander "feels" an SRRI may do to > > someone who takes it. > > Actually, Door #1 above and Door #3. I saw so many > people around me taking these drugs, and reporting > things that sounded like the blurb that the drug > company had written up about the ideal effect of > these drugs, that I grew curious. Especially when > my perception from the vantage point of Door #1 > indicated to me that the subjective things they > were reporting were not in line with how they acted. > For example, when I hear a person on SSRIs tell me > that he's never felt better, and then the next day > kick the shit out of a 70-year-old man because he > wouldn't run an errand for him, that triggers for > me a sense of cognitive dissonance.
i guess you are thinking SRRI's make one perfect. They don't. You appear to have overly high expectations. They can help someone who has a physiologic imbalance be and feel more in balance. The improved balance is not necesarily perfect balance. And there may be zealots. It happens to a % people with any "new" thing in their lives. Or more often, there can be a defensive over compensation to the stigma attached to SRRIs. "Hey really, these things are good. I feel GREAT. Better than I ever have." This sort of thing may not be a fully accurate report, but some people may initially feel the need to prove skeptics in their life wrong. And someone has ups and downs taking an SRRI? Gee, How surprising. One day they feel good. Another day they feel less so. And act out inappropriately. That maybe is just "life". Or perhaps they have the wrong dosage or wrong SRRI. I read one psychiatrist say, "correct dosage for each individual is EVERYTHING." And SRRI's don't help everyone. Especially when taking for first time. That may be due to dosage, or type. There are now many different SRRIs-class drugs -- some affect other neurotransmitters with, or other than seretonin. One type,one does, may not work. other types and/or other dosages may help. And not every one wit hdepression or serotonin deficiency symptoms can be helped with the current generation of SRRIs. > Then, when such drugs were prescribed for two mem- > bers of my immediate family, I grew even more curious. > Curious enough to take a week or two of such drugs > myself, from their ever-growing stash of them, to > see what effect, if any, they seemed to have on me. > I didn't like the effect much. There is no question > that I felt more comfortable in my environment; it's > just that I didn't *care* about my environment. Or > anyone in it. Or anything else. > > Sorry, but you asked. It really IS a subjective > thing for me. I think they're nasty drugs, from > my own limited experience with them. Well, excuse my directness, but "DUH!" You took a drug for an imbalance that you did not have, at a dosage not calibarated to your needs, and it didn't have much effect. Or it made YOU not care. Thats called "overdose". You cranked your serotonin levels up to an inappropriate high level. You partook in inappropriate use or a drug for a problem you did not have. And then you have the "insight" to declare them "nasty drugs." Your approach to knowledge is quite insigtful -- relative to this topic, and many others you make observations on. > > Plus, one of the members of my family died as, in > my opinion, a direct result of these drugs. He > committed suicide shortly after they were prescribed > for him, and shortly after he'd begun talking about > how much better they made him feel. He was just one > of those odd "anomalies" they talk about in the > research. Suicide happens for depressed people. Who is to say your relative, being depresssed, would not have commited suicide anyway, or more readily without an SRRI? Or was he on the right dose, the right SRRI? Probably not, he just started, these things need to be monitored. Studies in adults ( I posted one yesterday) indicate actual adult suicide rates decrease with SRRIs. Regardless, all doctors have strong directives to monitor for suicide. Interestingly in teens, the recent CDC study showed an 4% of SRRI users talked about suicide, compared to 2% on a placebo. NONE committed suicide. Some researchers feel this may indicate SRRIs open up depressed teens so thay can talk about feelings that are there -- even without the SRRI. Ability to talk about suicidal feelings -- and thus alerting others of the need of help, is a good thing. > I'm not certain this is a productive discussion. You > are never going to convince me that these drugs are > a good thing, at least for the people for whom they > are being indiscriminately prescribed. No disagreement: I do not think that SRRIs are generally a a good thing for whom they are being indiscriminately prescribed. There use needs competent prescription as to type and dosage, and the effects need to be monitored. I am unaware of the % of users who fall into this category of having been "indiscriminately prescribed". I suspect its pretty small. Do you have reliable figures. Better than your 4:1 overstated use figures? I think SRRIs can be quited helpful, sometimes a huge transformational tool for those who receive a competant prescription as to type and dosage, and the effects are monitored. > I am never > going to convince you otherwise, and honestly don't > seek to. Why don't we just let it drop and each of > us believe what we want, eh? Well, as you have gathered, i don't care much as to what you think -- you have quite losse logic and data sourcing habits for my tastes. But to the extent that you pontificate in ignorance and continue to stigmatize appropriate SRRI use, I believe you are contributing to increased violence, social discord and frustration in society. And thus will continue to point out your misinformation and unusual logic on this issue when appropriate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
