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> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
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> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 
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> > wrote:
> > > > > Special Prosecutor; "Rove Not Target of Investigation"
> > > > > 
> > > > > July 13, 2005 9:41 a.m. EST
> > > > > 
> > > > > Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter
> > > > > 
> > > > > Washington (AHN) - The special prosecutor involved in the 
leak 
> > of a
> > > > > covert CIA Agent, has told the lawyer of Karl Rove, in an 
> > interview
> > > > > with the National Review, that the White House Advisor 
is "not 
> > the
> > > > > target of the investigation."
> > > > 
> > > > Not really news; Luskin has been saying this
> > > > for a long time.  Also, the quote may be slightly
> > > > off--other outlets have reported it as "not *a*
> > > > target of the investigation," meaning there isn't
> > > > just one target.  And what I've been reading is
> > > > that Fitzgerald didn't tell Luskin this; rather,
> > > > Rove told Luskin that Fitzgerald told *him* this.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, Luskin has also made it clear that 
> > > > Fitzgerald considers Rove a *subject* of the
> > > > investigation.
> > > > 
> > > > "Target" and "subject" are technical terms in
> > > > this context.  Essentially, if you're a "target"
> > > > of an investigation, it means the investigators
> > > > are pretty sure you committed a crime and are
> > > > gathering evidence with a view to indicting you.
> > > > 
> > > > A "subject" is anyone whose conduct falls within
> > > > the scope of the investigation; it's a broad term.
> > > > At this point, Rove is a subject--but a subject can
> > > > become a  target, depending on what the investigators
> > > > discover about his/her conduct.
> > > > 
> > > > The way this story was written, it makes it sound
> > > > as though the investigators have cleared Rove.  Not
> > > > so.  If that were the case, he would be merely a
> > > > "witness," which would mean his conduct is not of
> > > > interest to investigators, only what he knows about
> > > > the conduct of others.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the clarifications. I listened to Lawrence O'Donnell 
on 
> > Al
> > > Franken discuss the same, saying that not being a target means
> > > nothing, the relevant question for his lawyer is "is he a 
subject?".
> > > He is a witness, having testified three times before the Grand 
Jury.
> > > 
> > > The really interesting thing LD brought out is that the ONLY 
way 
> > > Rove or anyone can be convicted is if they have official 
clearance 
> > to
> > > have known V Plame was an operative. Someone in Rove's postion
> > > typically does not have this clearance, but its not known if he 
in
> > > fact is an exception. 
> > 
> > Why would he not have clearance? And its not if they had 
clearance so 
> > much as if they were told via official channels. There's a 
difference 
> > between having clearance and "having a need to know."
> > 
> 
> My understanding from O'Donnell (of West Wing writing fame, amongst
> other things) is that it is part of the statute that it is only 
those
> who have CIA clearance for such information who can be prosecuted 
for
> revealing such. 
> 
> If you have rebuttals. call Larry.

He's simplfying. Need to know is always required. Simply having 
clearance doesn't give you access.




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