--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > Your problem is, you're not making a distinction
> > > between what is *self-evidently* true and what is
> > > *probably* true.  Your caveat is fine when it comes
> > > to what is *probably* true, but it looks real silly
> > > with regard to what is self-evidently true.
> > 
> > Well, this is fascinating. It is self-evidently true for you. It is
> > not self-evidently true for me. So in your world, and this is the
> > dangerous thing, it appears that you are willing and even feel
> > compelled to declare  that that which is self-evident to you to be 
> > self-evident for everyone. While I am not stating that you are a
> > fanatic, this is the logic and MOs used by fanatics world wide and
> > through the ages.
> 
> Are you putting me on, or have you decided to
> start channeling Barry now? 
> 
> It's a great gig if you take it all the way.
> Then everything is a wild card, there are no
> longer any facts, and you never have to commit
> yourself to anything--or better yet, you can
> hold two contradictory positions simultaneously
> and brag about how enlightened you are to be
> able to do so.  Oh, yes, and you can freely
> misrepresent what other people have said and
> engage in the wildest of hyperbole without 
> *any* reference to logic at all.

Yes, I know ad homenun attacks are useful as a diversion, particularly
when you can't or wont address the point: it appears that you declare
 that that which is self-evident to you to be self-evident for everyone.  

 
> <snip>
> > You KNOW what Wilson meant. Jerry Farwell KNOWs what Jesus meant. 
> GWB KNOWS what God meant. Bob Brigante KNOWS what MMY meant. Peter
KNOWS what Krishna meant. Si'ites KNOW what Mohammad meant but Sunnis
also KNOW what Mohammad meant -- and they are different. Pat Roberson 
 KNOWS what the founding fathers meant. Critic x KNOWs what TS Elliot
meant in the Four Quartets. JoeUFO KNOWS what the  Crop Cirles mean.
Dick Cheny KNOWS what al-Quada meant. Brown KNOWS what the DiVinci code 
> meant. 
> > 
> > I am bent over in laughter. And a bit sad.
 
> Actually, I find it sad that you'd resort to such
> a silly argument, 

Its self-evident to me that its relevant. Why is it sad to you.

> which suggests that you're unable
> to make the relevant distinctions between the
> status of the statement Wilson made and the status
> of those you list.

While some on my list may be a farther dimension "out" there than you,
the principal is the same: Some declare that which is self-evident to
themselves must be self-evident for everyone.  


  
> <snip>
> > > > > it's quite obvious what he meant,
> > > > > in context.  
> > 
> > Not to all readers Judy. Because it is obvious to you, does not
make it obvious to everyone. Your defense for this proposition appears
no more sphisticated than "nah nah, everyone who doesn't see things
 like me is STUPID!" (Do they poo poo in their pants too?)
> 
> I'm sorry you're insulted. 

Nothing in my statement about me being insulted. I thought that was
self-evident. 

The fact that, in this simple case, you did not see what is
self-evident, that yu add your own filter's content, paints a pretty
dim picture of your abilities to fathom the meaning what others mean
on a 100% correct consistnat basis. 

> I'd just suggest that
> you READ THE STATEMENT IN CONTEXT, as I did.  

I did do that, you already acknolwedged thst I did that. Memeory
problem? or just denial?

>Then
> it becomes obvious what he meant.

Would you stake your life on it? And those of your family? Would you
do that for every issue that you feel is "self-evident"? I am not
being cute. Thats a standard procedure question for people who assess
risk for a living. Stating something is 100% certain is a seriously
severe  statement.

 





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