Thank you. I have very strong feelings about this subject. It should be a balance between the masculine and the feminine in every aspect in society. And equal rights. Ingegerd . --- In [email protected], "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this question about women in the Movement is very > interesting - after all, a similar issue is about to split the Church > of England! Women in Catholicism & Islam also have an uphill struggle > for recognition against ossified culturally- determined "traditions". > And yet "physiologically" the critical issue (for TMO)in terms of > spirituality, is the "consciousness-supporting" physiology, > not "sexual reproduction", which rests at a very superficial level of > reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, female brains are > different, but actually are less "thing" and "action" dominated, as > with males, and more "person" and "feeling" orientaded - so if > anything, more "holistic" in character. Nothing here to suggest that > female spirituality would be any the less "real", "substantial" etc. > Personally, I have two daughters who are "gold standards" of > spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is amazing that one of the > motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, is the prospect of > enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap Paradise this is - > what if the virgins don't want this sexual encounter to happen? What > value is sexual satisfaction compared to the subline encounter with > the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in this! > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards > > women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have > fought > > for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back > > centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in > > Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't > > wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in > > Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an > > uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and > > how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To > > value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the > > Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look > at > > the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. > > To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both > men > > and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is > > only men... > > When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was > > working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious > > discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I > was > > a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or > > Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had > all > > the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived > with > > those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 > > months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. > Now, > > it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with > the > > women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just > terrible. > > Ingegerd > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > <<(I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about > > > > > this, not even the smattering of women here. > > > > > I didn't start thinking about it until just > > > > > recently. The only mention of the nonexistent > > > > > participation of women was when we noted the > > > > > original "Raja So-and-So and Wife" titles on > > > > > the photos of the couples, and the subsequent > > > > > removal even of this reference to the women.>>> > > > > > > > > > > Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been > > posted > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here > > > > from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, > > > > and I haven't seen a word except the comments > > > > about the wives not being named in the photos. > > > > > > > > I'm not even talking about the *political* > > > > aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and > > > > MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about > > > > the practical effect of the absence of the > > > > feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of > > > > whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on > > > > world consciousness. > > > > > > ****** > > > > > > Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I > > think the crux of the > > > answer lies in your own words: "Â…whatever effect they're supposed > > to have on world > > > consciousness". > > > > > > Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of > the > > movement's effects on > > > world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an > > effect at this point. > > > > > > [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any > > significant effect on world > > > consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the > last > > point at which you felt > > > you could observe something of significance? > > > > > > L B S
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