Rory IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE  A BIG JOKE YOU FUCKING MORONIC 
ASSHOLE !

--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > You need to go up thread to the original post to get it, and 
also 
> > realise that I had whispered the question a couple of times 
before 
> > with no response.
> 
> I *do* realize that. I still don't see why repeating the same 
> question over and over (and shouting it at the end when no one 
> responds) is particularly funny, sorry. Petulantly immature, 
maybe, 
> but not funny. 
> 
> > > It is other statements you have made over time that have 
smelled 
> > of 
> > > TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me: some 
> recent 
> > > examples would be your denouncing Rick as a lost yogi, >
> > 
> > But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. 
> 
> Gee, I wonder if Rick felt complimented by your post! Maybe you 
> should follow your own advice and go back and read it again. 
> 
> >You 
> > others do not come up to that category.
> 
> See? Another sidestep and insult. Humor? Or false-humor to mask 
> anger, aggression, and denial? Don't know; don't really care. Just 
> not particularly funny, IMO. 
>  
> > <<maligning his 
> > > logic, dismissing his evidence and experience out-of-hand 
> > > because "the accusers are anonymous," >>>
> > 
> > Anonymous is what you call non-evidence you idiot.
> 
> No, "you idiot;" anonymous is what *you* call non-evidence. Rick's 
> evidence smells generally right to me (and I would guess to most 
> other mature minds); your rationalizations and denials do not.
> 
> > <<dismissing the reporter's 
> > > opinion piece on TMO and Amma, and accusing MMY's critics of 
> short-
> > > term thinking (a classic cult maneuver is to justify short-
term 
> > > abuse in the name of lofty long-term ideals; i.e., "ends-
justify-
> > > means" enabling). >>>
> > 
> > Wrong. It was a highly prejudiced piece which you are too 
> prejudiced 
> > to see. I would never write such a prejudiced thing about any 
> group 
> > as a reporter.
> 
> See? You flat-out dismiss our point-of-view as "wrong" 
> and "prejudiced." Trademark fundamentalist thinking. What makes 
you 
> think we are prejudiced? Do you know the definition of prejudice? 
It 
> means something along the lines of judging before one has all the 
> facts. Many of us have experienced MMY and the TMO first-hand over 
a 
> period of many years. Many of us may have more knowledge here than 
> you do. Many of us are incredibly grateful to MMY for the divine 
> enlightenment he has shown us, *and* do not flinch from seeing his 
> human narcissism and fallibility. 
>  
> > > To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of 
> MMY 
> > > that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying 
> > > any "fallibility" or humanity on MMY's part, which (it seems 
to 
> > me) >>>>
> > 
> > 
> > Man , you really lack insight. I have a less ideal image of MMY 
> than 
> > you and half the people here. You just don't see it.
> 
> I am not saying you toe the TMO line in every respect because you 
> certainly don't.  In what way precisely is your image of MMY less 
> ideal than mine and half the people here?
> 
> > > you often attempt to deny through attack, ridicule, insult, 
and 
> so 
> > > on. >>>
> > 
> > Wow, you are making things up.
> > I don't see you saying this to Llundrub, the king of constant 
> > insults. This again shows your prejudice. 
> 
> Llundrub is not the point here; you are. I have found 
> Llundrub's "insults" to be generally based in truth. Yours almost 
> never are. (If I were he, by the way, I would have apologized for 
> *nothing* he said to either Vaj or to you -- it was all on-target, 
> if undiplomatically phrased.)
> 
> > Read those two sentances again.
> 
> Why? I do not find them to be any more pregnant with meaning on 
the 
> second read than the first. Again, they just look like more of 
your 
> classic ego-tactics: flailing around, attacking, and sidestepping. 
> Anything to avoid admitting fallibility, right? :-)
>  
> > <<In like manner, you seem to need to cling to a self-image of 
> > > invulnerability, omnipotence, and grandiosity. (Although I 
> suppose 
> > > these may all be "jokes" too, for all I can tell with my 
> > apparently-
> > > limited sense of humor.) >>>>
> > 
> > 
> > You have not sense of humor old man.
> 
> That may very well be. Or maybe you're sometimes just not very 
> funny, and/or are using so-called humor to hide something else. 
Who 
> knows? :-)
> 
> > > 
> > > If however you have been serious, I respectfully suggest that 
if 
> > you 
> > > can open up to the paradox of MMY's being both divine *and* 
> human, 
> > > perfect *and* flawed, that you can then allow yourself the 
same 
> > > luxury. 
> > > 
> > > And of course, I may be way off base, in which case you can 
tell 
> > me 
> > > to go take a flying leap. :-)>>>
> > 
> > A smiley face does NOT constitute a sense of humor. It doesn't 
> make 
> > you funny, as you and Alex seem to think it will do for you.
> 
> No, it is generally meant to constitute friendliness, to try to 
> convey the light-heartedness (not humor per se, other than good 
> humor) in which I am conveying these words. Sometimes IMO the 
> written word comes across as far too serious without a smile. :-)
> 
> But again, if this is your polite way of telling me to go take a 
> flying leap, consider it done :-)




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