---I'm not sure what is the difference between so-called established religion and cults. The difference ultimately between the TM movement, and the rest, is that Maharishi believes that his teaching, which he received from Guru Dev, was and is an evlivenment of the basis of all religions or cults. Pure-Consciousness, "The Light of God"; The Transcendent; direct experience of the Atma, and the transcendence of ego; This is the basis of this so-called, "Purity of the Teaching". My experience in Fairfield and in the Movement is that it is susceptible to egos, which haven't been transcended, yet. In other word's, any organization, any country, or kingdom is as good as the consciousness of the leadership. Unenlightened leadership of all religions and or cults has cause havoc in world history, misery and suffering. All of this in the name of the basis of any true religion, which like someone said earlier, is Love. The process of love, and experience of love in the creation, can only produce peace, harmony, and purity. True purity, is living life as the Creator intended, which by definition, is always the opposite of what ego's, would defend. In enlightenment the fight is transcended; fight is by definition, is something of the ego's invention..
In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > IMO it is Ok even if Maharishi and the TMO feel that it > > > > isn't. > > > > > > They have their logic. > > > I think you need to answer the question I asked several posts back > > > about keeping the purity of the teachiing. > > > I have to ask myself this question: If there was little > > > attempt to keep the purity of the teaching by being careful what > > > gets interjected and absorbed in to it, what would happen over time > > > to the teaching of the knowledge. I think everyone here should try > > > an honest open minded objective attempt to answer this PARTICULAR > > > question precisely (and concisely) > > > > Well, it's deteriorating despite (and also > > in many respects because of) the TMO's best > > efforts to maintain the purity--not within > > the TMO itself, but outside of it. > > > > Whether you think the purity of the teaching > > is important depends on whether you think the > > teaching is definitive, of course. > > > > (I'm referring here to the teaching about the > > nature and mechanics of consciousness, not to > > any of the subsidiary stuff, politics and > > Rajas and so on.) > > > > > >>> And it's all so unnecessary. And so based on fear.>>>> > > > > > > I think it's based on logic. see above. > > > > Seems to me the intense, emotional resistance > > to the measures for preserving the purity of > > the teaching may itself be based on fear, the > > fear of committing oneself (not to the TMO > > per se but to the teaching). > > > > It's one thing to disapprove of the various > > excesses of the movement control freaks that > > go way beyond the logic of it; it's quite > > another to tie oneself into knots about it > > and start comparing it to the Inquisition > > and similar outrages. That's just not a > > rational response. > > ******** > > Interesting discussion. Yes, the "purity of the teaching" is a technical challenge that flies in > the face of time and entropy. Just keep rolling that boulder up the mountain. > > I agree that it's foolish to tie onself into knots over the excesses of the movement. On the > other hand, it doesn't seem so outrageous to compare them to the Inquisition. While many > of the excesses that have been observed here are in fact excesses of individual zeal, there > is also a pattern of institutional excesses. That is, certain repeated abuses (a judgement > call admitted in that word) could only have been a matter of policy. For example, the > spying. Also disturbing, the reliance on anonymous informants. > > It is difficult for a rational and reasonable person to encompass irrationality in his/her > thought patterns. Therefore it is frequently found that people simply can't imagine the > depths to which the movement has sunk in varioius periods. > > Nevertheless, I think that the greatest source of outrage against movement excesses is the > pain of waking from a murky slumber, induced by a sleeping potion heavily laced with > denial. In my own case, for example, there were certain assumptions about the nature of > the organization that I clung to far beyond any evidence for their usefulness. I would > guess that the broadest general category of such misimpressions has to do with the cult > nature of the TMO. To deny that it is a cult is to place oneself outside the domain of > mainstream rationality. Once it is acknowledged to be a cult, however, it can be allowed > that some of its policies may in fact be reasonable, given that context. However, almost no > assertion of irrationality can be dismissed out of hand. It must be considered on the basis > of the evidence. > > This is often difficult to do from a distance. To live in Fairfield, however, is to have access > to a great number of disturbing reports which would normally not circulate outside of > Jefferson County. Some of them turn out to be false and unfounded, but on the whole they > paint a picture that resembles a giant version of those plastic tokens that look like one > thing when looked at one way, and something entirely different when looked at from a > different angle. > > Personally, I feel that the "purity of the teaching" as I have understood it has already been > lost. There is very little there left preserving, and that which is worthy of preserving can > best be saved outside the context of the organization. > > L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
