--- In [email protected], "Joe" <geezerfr...@...> wrote: > > This entire "MMY" didn't really claim to be a celibate monk" > has become silly. The facts are that he did say it and he > said it often. Way a strange fact to get hung up on. Like we > didn't hear what he said??
OK, I haven't seen a quote yet in which he made that claim during the time he was sexually active. Maybe it's unfair to ask for one after all this time, but goodness knows folks often quote him on other topics, sometimes from even earlier periods. > This is like that old Richard Pryor joke when his wife walks > in on him having sex: "baby, are you going to believe me or > those lying eyes of yours?" Well, no, it's not like that joke at all, not even close. I'm not questioning that he had sex, even though I *didn't* see it (thank God!). I'm questioning whether y'all heard him lie outright, rather than having been misled by his artful phrasing into making assumptions that weren't accurate. I *have* seen several examples of such statements. Not only that, it would be fine with me if you did come up with airtight examples of him lying outright about it. I'm trying, as I keep saying, to get a fix on how *he* felt about what he was doing. If he lied outright about it, that would indicate one kind of feeling; if he stood on his head to avoid lying outright, that would indicate a different type of feeling. To me, the latter suggests a deeper sense of guilt than the former. But I could be all wet about that as well. I don't have any investment in it either way. > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > [I wrote:] > > > > I could certainly be wrong, but I'm guessing he was very > > > > careful as to what he said about his sexual status, > > > > allowing folks to *assume* things that weren't the case > > > > without telling outright falsehoods. > > > > > > Not true. At Poland Spring (July 1970), in the midst of > > > MMY's "sexual phase" a guy named Michelangelo Salcedo got > > > up to the mic and told MMY he was interested in the sexual > > > revolution. MMY cut him short, saying that he was a monk, > > > it wasn't his field, and he didn't know anything about it. > > > > That's not very convincing as an example of an outright > > falsehood, Rick. > > > > That MMY was having his own private sexual revolution > > didn't mean he knew anything about the sexual revolution > > in society that Salcedo was interested in. > > > > (Do you think Salcedo had heard rumors of MMY's sexual > > activities and was slyly hinting about them to see what > > MMY would say?)
