--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], > "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], > "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], > "Llundrub" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > Not that one can be out of the phenomenal > realm. But rather, > > > > > as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't > potent enough to make > > > > > it a real go. I have no doubt that someone > will break through. > > > > > Someone who wants to hover enough. > > > > <snip> > > > > > We have all been trying to create positive > aspirations for > > > > > the world for however many years now. And I > think that > > > > > aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration > to just levitate. > > > > > > > > You know, there's no way I want to levitate > > > > badly enough to spend the time day after day > > > > doing program. It would be fun, and if > > > > somebody were to hand it to me on a silver > > > > platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, > > > > it's not all that compelling. > > > > > > > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the > > > > time day after day doing program is to no > > > > longer be overshadowed. > > > > > > You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind > that you believe > the > > > duality- that there is something external to > you. Its a common > trick > > > of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at > some point ;) > > > > And some get so attached to it that they're > unwilling > > to give it up. The "trick of the mind" that > believes it is > > "overshadowed" becomes for them the ground state > > of reality, and something to be "overcome," > something > > "real." > > > > IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the > feeling of > > being overshadowed that isn't real. > > Which is why this intellectualization is > useless, either for encouragement or for > putting people down. > > All it does is push things back a level: > Instead of having to overcome the reality > of being overshadowed, now it's the false > feeling of the reality of being overshadowed > that must be overcome. This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is "already enlightened" can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
