--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> But if one could for a second remember the qualities of 
consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply 
cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also 
accept that ignorance is also based upon consciousness, and really 
make that connect, then they would see that there is nothing but 
consciousness.

Does this describe the process you went through as
you went through it, or is it back-to-front, as it
were, from the perspective of having made the connect?

My sense is that it is not easy for one who has
made the connect to recapitulate the process of
having made it, such that someone who hasn't
made it yet can successfully follow the same steps
and make the same connect.

Just as those still in ignorance can be said to
have "forgotten" their enlightenment, it seems to
me, at least in many cases, that those who have
realized their enlightenment can be said to have
"forgotten" what it was like for them to be in
ignorance.  It's the nature of the beast, in both
instances.

In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody*
who has realized their enlightenment can teach
those still in ignorance to realize their own
enlightenment.  It's the blind (blind to ignorance)
leading the blind (blind to enlightenment).





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