--- In [email protected], "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Tart!
> 
> Said like a fundy.
> 

Well, actually, it was heard by someone as fundyish. Where in my posts do I 
extol a literal reading of scripture as beneficial or correct? One can't 
dismiss projection here in that you apear to ascibe literalist fundamentalism 
to every muslim.

> Problem is he's a figment of our collective, historical imag
ination.

Who cars. The words that I admire are real.

> There is no historical proof, Judaic or Roman, that "he" ever
> existed.

But you are totally sure mohamad and his in your eyes, murderous, blody 
universal imperatives.
> 
> However, the sentimental image of the bleeding, 

Who said anything about bleeding. I said I loved his words. Imaginary or not, 
the words are great. I am sorry to see that you do not share that appreciation.

> loving Jeezus (and Him
> crucified) 

You seem to either stereotype or project a lot of things into words that are 
not there -- not part of the thinkers mindscape.
 
> is a wonderful, embedded cultural meme ... just like beudbugs.

So do you believe, as your words appear to imply,  that hate thy neighbor and 
critique and dis the shit out of them, disregarding your own huge flaws (I 
presume) is the eternal wisdom and the opposite is bedbugs. If so, I am 
speculating all the book learning has been an empty road. 



> 
> You should try for a more creative and entertaining one. 

Ghandi? MLK? Sure, they had their entertaining moments too. I love them too. As 
well as that blood thirsty jihadist extremist, fundamentalit Islamic militant 
(well thats redundant in your eyes) Rumi. I love many people. I love the bright 
shinning essence in them.
I love the bright and radiant words of people that stem from a hollow and empty 
place within. 
 
>
Maybe a second
> coming Jeezus, bloodied sword in his right hand, who gives out hugs with
> his left,  just cause he loves us so much ... the believers.
> 
> 

You seem fixated with bloodiness. I prefer the bright shinning essence.

 
> --- In [email protected], tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I love his message, his imperative to "Turn the other check and Love
> thy neighbor". And to remove the timber in ones own eye before
> criticizing the sliver in our neighbors. And to let the one without sin
> cast the first stone. I see a bright and shining essence in those words.
> I love that bright shining essence.
> >
> > I am not sure that makes me a Christian. If it does, clearly I am not
> a very sophisticated one. I have yet to find where in the Bible he
> disavows himself and says "Turn the other check and Love thy neighbor"
> is bunk, "I didn't really mean it. Hate and Wrath is where its at -- and
> the single door to Peace on Earth" (and to Heaven -- some may see these
> as the same.)
> >
> > Because a lot of sophisticated Christians appear to have found that
> passage. And practice it with all heart and soul. If I ever find that
> passage, I am not sure that I will love Jesus so much. No, wait. Yes I
> will -- because I love that bright shining essence -- and his first
> message -- the turn the other check and love thy neighbor part, If the
> secret passage nullifying this exists, I am guessing that he was just
> messing with us. Testing our understanding of him and his message. I am
> not falling for that.
> >
> > I am going with that light -- the brightness that he shone on the
> world and its things -- that bright shining essence that dissolves hate,
> wrath, vindictiveness, tribalism and narcisistic love of self,
> community, nation and things above others.
> >
>


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