Agreed, Tart; not all of human "evil" or unconscious pain is embodied in Saturn, by any means. As we've discussed, in my play every one of the twelve Aeons or Archetypes has a shadow-side which shall in good time be brought to consciousness, accepted, understood and embraced whole-heartedly (not to be confused with acting it out), as a part of our own ISness to be integrated, healed, made one with Us.
Shadow-Saturn is indeed primarily "Old Nick" the rebellious trickster and thief. Shadow-Venus as temptress is indeed another piece of the puzzle (though in my play shadow-Venus would primarily embody envy and hatred, while shadow-Persephone would be greed and jealousy), as is shadow-Jupiter the overindulger (who in my play actually oversees Christmas, which falls on the High Holiday of Jupiter:Jupiter, the Violet Smith enthroned, a few days after the solstice. The Yule log symbolizes the rebirth of our inner Sun or Solar Creator at that same time -- and in Creating new worlds to play with, we can indeed rewire the old samskara-stories! Saturnalia, Saturn:Saturn, by contrast falls in the High Holiday just before the Solstice, closing out the old year). One of the most traditionally famous forms of the "devil" is embodied by shadow-Mars, the dragon of fiery rage. Mars's partner is shadow-Neptune, the terrified obsessive-compulsive and perennial seeker. But we also have shadow-Bacchus the rapist and trespasser, shadow-Urania the confused victim, shadow-Mercury as the spinner of lies and black-magic (samskara-stories), and shadow-Isis as the Queen of Denial. Even shadow-Moon, the elitist and bloodless scholar, and shadow-Sun, the egotistical solipsist, are forms of imbalance or "evil". All the more of Us to love, right? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:53 PM, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oneness never lies. > > > > > > Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Even if you're at one with SATAN? :-) > > > > > > "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > Actually, my recollection is that even using Satan as one's Ishta-devata > > > would eventually lead one to full enlightenment. > > > > > > Which would explain why he tries to betray his followers whenever > > > possible: he doesn't want them to gain enlightenment by following the > > > path of devotion (even of him) so he betrays them so they will turn away > > > before they gain benefit from their one-pointedness. > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > There may be some allegorical nuggets for TM buried there somewhere, come > > > to think of it. > > > > > *** An interesting take on it, Lawson. My feeling is that Satan is merely > > Saturn seen through the eyes of the addict, who roundly curses and > > demonizes the healer who is trying to remove his addictions and suffering. > > > > I have had similar thoughts. However there is some lose ends. Satan as the > manager of Hell fits the limited view Saturn image -- creating a hellish like > experience as attachments to things (and ideas) are pulled or ripped away. > However, Satan is also seen as the one tempting beings towards "sin", that is > to become attached. That is not a role I see in Saturn. It might be more > Venus, as lovely as she is, who bestows great beauty, comfort and luxury. > > Its the difference between modern Santa Claus and Shani Claus. Santa Claus, > or should I say Santa Claws, in the modern sense (not the elf/angel type > being that seeks and promotes the welfare of children -- which I think may be > the real template for the Santa Clause myth). Santa Claws and most of the > modern Christmas practice is Satan -- whereby overeating. eating of unhealthy > things, over drinking, over consumption, commercialization of the holy, and > great vanity are promoted. Shani Claus, as Shani, brings the counter flow, > the counter swing of the pendulum, towards non-attachment, freedom and > balance. > > So I am seeing Saturn as one part of the Satan myth / archetype and Venus > (even Jupiter at times) being another aspect of Satan. > > The truer holiday spirit is Shani Claus that invite all of the children of > the world to themselves offer up presents (things and attachments) under the > Yule Tree, so that Saturn may free them from that bondage. And the burning of > the Yule Log, from the Yule tree, is similar to the tradition of a student > offering a bundle of kindling to their guru as the first step of the > relationship. The kindling being symbolic of the fire the guru will create to > burn all of the students samskaras. > > Samskara may be another root of "Satan" as well as the Santa Claws. > > Santa Claws and Shani Claus may be the polar points of duality, that are > eventually unified in the ONE Santa Shiva. >
