--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > You indicate that you are not enlightened, yet talk in great > > > detail and apparent authority as to what it enlightenment is > > > and what the path is and what the path is not. However, if > > > enlightenment has not happened, and all pre-enlightenment is as > > > Judy quotes MMY "a mistake of the intellect", or as others > > > appear to echo "its NOTHING like you thought it would be", then > > > it seems anything said in the unenlightened state about > > > enlightenment is wrong. I would guess the > > > words are even more deeply wrong, the more emphatic and > > > authoritative the unenlightened speaker speaker is. > > > > But anything said *in the enlightened state* > > about enlightenment is wrong as well. The > > closest you can come is paradox or infinite > > regress, because language itself exists only > > in the context of the "mistake of the > > intellect." > > Well, it can easily be said that all words, all expressions are not > fully true, in any state of consciousness. Words, what is "said", is > an imprecise and generalized mapping of a symbol to a concept and/or > experience/state/understanding. Words, what is "said", never hits > its mark precisely.
True. But it's true *in spades* of enlightenment (of the nature of consciousness generally). > The real issue is that the "grasp", the "groking" of the "the > enlightened state* by the "enlightened" is valid. The "grasp", the > "groking" of the "the enlightened state* by the "unenlightened" is > and will always be invalid and incorrect. To an extent, sure. > Words of each may appear or even be the same. And will never hit > the mark. > > > But anything said *in the enlightened state* > > about enlightenment is wrong as well. The > > closest you can come is paradox or infinite > > regress, because language itself exists only > > in the context of the "mistake of the > > intellect." > > And if you you are not enlightened, then this is mere speculation, > and probably wrong, if the points in the above post to Unc are > valid. Actually it's a logical extension of MMY's teaching. My speculation is that he's got it right. > As are my words of course. :) Yupper. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
