--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good post Turquoise.  The book "The Guru Papers" mentions how gurus
> often come up with gradiose plans near the end of their mission -- a
> few relevant paragraphs are quoted below.  I don't agree with all of
> Kramer's hypothesis in that book, but feel it is worth discussing:
> 
> "Most cults follow a predictable progression of two distinct stages,
> which indicates that what is involved is more a function of how
> authoritarian structures work than of the particular teachings of a
> given guru.
> 
> This first stage is messianic with the message being that all labors
> of the organization, including the guru's, are aimed at a higher
> purpose beyond the group, such as saving mankind.  During this phase
> the guru is confident that he will eventually be acknowledged as the
> one who will lead the world out of darkness. The major emphasis is
> on proselytizing to bring in new converts. The continual increase in
> numbers satisfies the guru's need for power and adulation.  While
> there is still hope of becoming the acknowledged herald of a new
> order, he remains happy and relatively behing in his treatment of
> those who have surrendered to him.
> 
> As long as the guru still sees the possibility of realizing his
> ambitions, the way he exercises power is through rewarding the
> enthusisams of his followers with praise and positions in his
> hierarchy.  He also whets and manipulates desire by offering carrots
> and promising that through him the disciples' desires will be
> realized, possibly even in this lifetime.  The group itself becomes an
> echo of the guru, with the members filling each other's needs. 
> Everthing seems perfect:  everyone is moving along the appropriate
> spiritual path.  The guru is relatively accessible, charming, even
> fun.  All dreams are realizable, even wonderful possibilities beyond
> one's ken.
> 
> A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the group
> plateaus and then begins to wane.  Eventually it becomes obvious that
> the guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in the
> immediate future.  When the realization comes that humanity is
> too stupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom of
> the guru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over.  Then
> one of two things generally happens: the first is that the guru's
> message turns pessimistic or doomsday ... The other possibility is
> that in order to attract more people, the guru makes increasingly
> extreme promises and bizarre claims that offer occult powers, quick
> enlightenment, or even wish fulfillment in the mundane sphere around
> wealth, love, and power...
> 
> When the guru realizes that most people are not going to acknowledge
> him, he often compensates, if he can afford it, by building monumental
> edifices that proclaim his greatness.  This includes monuments or
> temples, buildings, model communities and learning centers... Often he
> consciously or unconsciously blames those around him for the failure
> of his messianic aspirations.  This stage commonly results in scandal
> and tragedy."

Pretty fascinating quote, Mark.  Because one of my "hobbies"
or fascinations is comparative religion / comparitive spirituality,
I've seen this scenario work itself out dozens of times.  

On the other hand, I have seen traditions *avoid* this scenario.
They started clean and they ended clean.  By "ended" I mean
the primary teacher died, and no serious disintegration of the
organization occured until long after the teacher died.  

The latter give me hope.  But I do not expect the TM movement 
to be one of them.







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