--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
 But I find "jokes" can often have embedded judgements at 
> thier core. Its what makes it "funny". It might be termed 
disparaging
> humor or one-upmanship humor. And such humor can be self-mocking, 
that
> is one uses such humor to point out the foibles of us all, incuding
> the joke teller. But on the other hand, I have several friends, 
quite
> smart, upbeat, spiritually inclined people, who at times can make
> quite disparaging remarks about others -- in the context of humor. 
Its
> can be quite shocking, the "meaness" of it all.  But its a "joke",
> right? That excuses everthing. :)


I know what you mean.  One has to look at whether the joke is 
degrading someone or something.  If so, better left unsaid.

> 
> But where is the line between personal tastes (a fine thing) and
> judgemental views (an unecessary and harmful thing)? As touched on
> above, I think it is where the judgement is relavant to, necessary
> for, a personal decisions about an action. If its not, its a
> superfilous and extranious judgement -- and its this type of 
constant
> internally (and sometimes externally) "commenting on" judging people
> and things, that cloud the mind.

IMO anything that causes another to introvert (to look too closely at 
themselves) comprises the unnecessary or harmful thing.  Case in 
point:
Yesterday the computer wasn't working and I asked my wife how to fix 
it.  She kind of stammered, and hemmed and hawed out an answer that 
wasn't quickly to the point.  I replied with a "I don't need your 
stuttering, uncertain response - just tell me how to fix it!" (I 
might have thrown in a god damn it for good measure).  Well now she's 
looking at her "uncertain and stammering self" (introversion) and I'm 
a schmuck (true enough) who not only didn't get his computer fixed 
but stopped any immediate positive outflow from my wife.  The only 
good thing I can say about it is at least I was smart enough to 
realize it and make it right.  Wanna mess somebody up?  Get them to 
watch every move they make and every word that comes out of their 
mouth - that's introversion and it's bad.

Jeff




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