--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, but I'm not going to continue this > discussion. > > I've got to go have sex with a goat. > > Thats a nice pattern. Drive by, skim a post, miss > major points, argue > loudly against points not made, then claim being to > busy to even read > a fairly careful crafted response clarifying the > issues and pointing > out where your quick skim has lead your assessments > astray. > > Well, yes I have made a judegement about you > (pertaining to decisions > future action) -- not to be confused with > judgemental views. > > All hail the monkey mind! Thank you Akasha...too sweet of you. I'm so glad you have no expectations and hence no judgements. I just can't get worked-up about "tacky" decor and how it proves I am inadequate for you in some way. Talk about expectations, Jeez! You responded to me, I responded to you and you find my response to be inadequate. Who has the expectations here? Next time just call me fuck-face and things will be clearer for all of us. > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > I am jut a bit intrigued by the > "expectations" > > > > > theme. See other posts > > > > > on this. (this one summarizes some of the > > > issues.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/64595 > > > > > > > > You appear, in my view, to be smearing > > > judgemental > > > > > critics and expectations with personal > > > preferences. To say, > > > > > "that decor is not for me" -- and then > dropping > > > it, is a statment > > > of personal taste. To go further and say "thats > > > tacky" is judgemental. > > > > > > > > > > And there is a semantical razor's edge here. > By > > > > > "judgemental views" I mean making assessemnt > of > > > others or things > > > that are not required for > > > > > ones own decisions and actions. Its not > decrying > > > > > using "judgement" aka IMO intellectual > > > discrimination, which when > > > applied to things one must make a decision > about, > > > and actions one is > > > > > considering, is a good thing. > > > > > > > > > > A theme I am exploring is "are judgemental > views > > > > > rooted in > > > > > expectations"? It seem to be a correct, and > > > useful, > > > > > hypothesis, but I > > > > > am still looking for exceptions to disprove > the > > > it. > > > > > > > > I don't think that all judgements are rooted > in > > > > expectations. Some obviously are, but many are > > > not. > > > > For instance I eat something that doesn't > taste > > > good > > > > and I say, "Yuk, that tastes awful" and I spit > it > > > out. > > > > > > > > > And of course, I just made a large distinction, > > > above, between > > > "judgments" and "judgmental actions" --- and > posited > > > that expectations > > > are linked to the latter, not the former. Its > funny, > > > becasue the > > > springboard for your example is on the former, > on > > > jusgements, > > > something I did NOT link to expectations. Of > course > > > you are free to > > > develop your own models, but your example has > > > nothing to do with > > > countering my point. You appear to be arguing > > > against my point by > > > suggesting I said the opposite of what I said. > Not a > > > problem, but its > > > kind of hard to carry on much of a convo that > way. > > > Either you didnt > > > read what I wrote, or my words were incredibly > > > obtuse. > > > > > > Carrrying on with your example, I would say your > > > judgement that > > > something doesn't taste good, and your decicion > not > > > to eat more, is > > > what I consider appropriate use of judgement. > You > > > found your personal > > > preferences were not consistent with the meal > and > > > you made a decision > > > based on that. Bravo. Thats a good thing. > > > > > > What I am suggesting is that if you went on to > say > > > something like, > > > "and poeple who like this are stupid, unevolved > and > > > ugly!" then I > > > would hold that you are holding a "judgemental > > > view" -- per my > > > definition above, and this is not useful, and is > > > part of the monkey > > > mind chatter of irrelevance, frustration and > cyclic > > > behavior. This > > > latter" judgemental view" had nothing to do with > > > personal decision and > > > action. Its just a vehicle for more crap to > > > circulate through the > > > mind, distort ones vision and make one a bit of > an > > > ass. > > > > > > > You seem to be saying that > > > > expectations are bad or wrong. > > > > > > Again you appear not to have read my posts on > this > > > and are jumping in > > > mid stream. Not a problem, but it makes your > points > > > quite off target. > > > Unc and Irmeli were arguing that expectations > were > > > bad. I went through > > > a number of counter arguments and examples that > > > expectations are the > > > foundation of science and technolgy -- in the > realm > > > of things, we do > > > an action and expect a repeateable result. When > we > > > turn the light on, > > > we expect it to go on. And that is fine, no > foul. > > > > > > I did find some common ground to agree with > them, > > > that, IMO, not > > > having expecations about outcomes over which we > have > > > little control is > > > a good thing. In other words, expectation over > > > things which we have > > > little control is indeed bad. Examples: don't > expect > > > a person to be or > > > act a certain way, don't expect the day to > unfold in > > > a certain way. > > > > > > > > > > I really don't see a problem with > > > > saying it was tacky. I just didn't like it. If > > > someone > > > > else liked it I certainly wasn't going to > argue > > > with > > > > them! I'd say, "Oh" and leave it at that. > > > > > > I was using the "tacky" statement just a > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
