--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > So is this real?
> > > > 
> > > > Too grand a gesture for your taste, Unc?
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/
> > > > 
> > > >
> > http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/ListofMVM.htm
> > > > MVM Schools
> > > 
> > > It would be neat if it were true.  But it's just a
> > web page,
> > > Lawson.  Two web pages.  *Lots* of charity scams
> > have
> > > put together such "documentation" of "what they've
> > 
> > > accomplished."
> > > 
> > > Show me real documentation.  Show me an article
> > from
> > > an unbiased Indian newspaper in which the reporter
> > went
> > > to each of these locations and counted the
> > students.  Then
> > > and only then will I believe it.
> > 
> > I just spent some time clicking on each of the links
> > of these supposed "schools."  I suspect a real
> > reporter
> > would do the same, and would come up with questions
> > as to why this "database" contains entries such as:
> > 
> > -- 335 students in 21 rooms, with 3000 books, but no
> > building
> > -- 255 students in 61 rooms, with 157 books, again
> > no building
> > -- many, if not most of the schools listed being "in
> > the process
> > of affiliation" rather than being listed as actually
> > accredited
> > or affiliated
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Lawson...I'd really like this to be true,
> > but it 
> > really, really, really looks like a scam to me. 
> > Look at
> > the *copyright date* on the scam -- 2003.  Look at
> > the
> > copyright date on the "Pictorials" page -- 2001.  If
> > any 
> > of this were really true, doncha think there would
> > have 
> > been some outside verification of it by now?  Doncha
> > think
> > that the TMO *itself* would have been trumpeting
> > their
> > success to the world?  
> > 
> > Tell you what...send this web page to the Times Of
> > India
> > and ask them to assign a reporter to checking it
> > out.  It
> > would be big news, after all -- a guru who "made
> > good"
> > in the outside world coming back to India and
> > helping
> > out his country.  Then let's see what the reporters
> > actually
> > find when they go to all these locations and look
> > for
> > 100,000 students.
> 
> Unfortunately I think you're right Unc. I'm sure the
> intent is to try to make people think and act one way
> but the reality of the schools is something quite
> different. In other words, a con. It's really too bad.
> This type of "con" mentality comes up time and time
> again in the TMO. By a con mentality I mean an
> attitude that what we, the TMO, want or desire should
> not be delayed or prevented by any government
> regulation, business ethic, etc.. For example,years
> ago when I was on TSR a friend of mine was in the MIU
> doctoral program in neuroscience. He was furious
> because MIU had faked a class to meet the criteria of
> a visiting accreditation team. The administration and
> the faculty apparently had no problem with this at
> all.
> 

The quality of these schools no doubt is all over the place. However, 
at least several of the schools are large enough and nice enough to 
get regular mention in the Indian press (see links provided earlier). 
One has hosted a large chess tournement which is mentioned on non-TM 
websites devoted to chess in India.





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