--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Thats one reason I strongly favor iterative voting systems 
where by
> > > one votes for a ranking of candidates, first choice, second 
choice
> > > etc. Then votes are counted in rounds, with the least vote 
holder 
> > in
> > > each round being dropped. Voters for that candidates are
> > > automantically deferred to their next choice. 
> > > 
> > > Such a system allows voters to support third and multi-party
> > > candidates and give them a good, though not winnning, share of 
the
> > > votes, without wasting their final votes for the top 
> > two "electable"
> > > candidates. The losing but "did well" candidates are then 
> > positioned
> > > much better for fund raising and voter support in future 
elections.
> > > Over time, strong candidates not supported by party machines 
can 
> > rise
> > > to the top based on apptitude, not raw political and special 
> > interest
> > > power.
> > 
> > Well, I am in complete agreement with you.
> > 
> > The system you describe above is one that is the best possible 
> > democratic voting system...the only thing I would add to what 
you 
> > say above is that the voter should also be given the opportunity 
to 
> > NOT vote for second, third or fourth choices if he doesn't like 
them 
> > and to only vote for one (or more) candidates that he likes.
> 
> 
> Yes. And in addition to this, if we were able to REALLY reform
> campaign finance, end gerrymandering (such as have a bipartisan 
panel
> of retired judges do it), abolish the electoral college, and in a
> democratically balanced fachion allocate congressional committee 
and
> sub-scommittee assignments -- doing away with the current
> "patronage'/favor system, we might actually begin to have a 
democracy
> in the US. as demonstrated by more than 10% of congressional races
> being competitive, and voters actually turning out to vote since 
thier
> vote now counts for something.


I would agree with all your additional points except the one on 
campaign financing which, I assume, is that you want to have MORE 
rules restricting campain financing.

I am for complete laissez-faire in this area.  I think corporations 
and individuals should be free to give unlimited amounts to the 
candidates of their choices...as long as there is immediate publicly 
available declarations of that support.

If the voters are stupid enough to vote for candidates that 
are "bought off", then they get the government that they deserve.  
Indeed, there is much evidence to suggest that disproportionate 
spending for one side does NOT sway voters.

I think of the nation-wide constitutional referendum asked of 
Canadian voters in 1992 in which the "yes" side outspent the "no" 
side by a 10 to 1 margin, had the support of every provincial 
government and the federal parliament (and most of the official 
opposition groups) a vast majority of all Canada's major newspaper 
and yet the "yes" side was soundly defeated.




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