I think the movement jumped the shark with the inauguration of the World Government in '76? He had gotten too Howard Hughes in Seelisberg IMO. That was well before the sidhis confirmed that the shark had been jumped.
But I do remember the descriptions of his time at the Olsen's house that lead me to believe that he was quite an accomplished user and manipulator of people for his own benefit even back in those more innocent days. It could all be chalked up to his religious convictions and all, but he did demonstrate a bit more my needs over your needs than your average person. Throw in the Judith revelations and we see a high level selfishness and disregard for others at the very least. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@...> wrote: > > Good points, Curtis. Despite what people have said here, MMY did not have a > narcissistic personality disorder. I agree that he did become progressively > narcissistic as the decades rolled by. Really too bad. He was also so distant > and isolated from all except a few. I used to think this distance was the > result of his enlightenment. Now I realize it was just his personality. I > also wonder if he had some sort of cognitive impairment the last 15-20 years > or so. Things became progressively stranger and stranger as time went by. The > rajas were really the final straw that destroyed any sort of credibility the > TMO/MMY ever had. > > --- On Tue, 4/5/11, curtisdeltablues <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > From: curtisdeltablues <curtisdeltablues@...> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do Narcissists Know They Are Narcissists? > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 11:36 AM > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > All this "you're an narcissist" "No you're a narcissist" > > talk flying around does dilute the value of the term a bit. > > > > When I came across this description applied to gurus > > (primarily to Rajaneesh, secondarily to Maharishi) in a > > Secular Humanist magazine in the late 80's or early 90's it > > helped me understand how some people could function so > > differently. It also helps explain how people who come > > from such a different internal place can have a profound > > effect on the rest of us. That kind of internal > > certainty is foreign to people with a more humble sense of > > self regard. If you don't buy into Maharishi's view of > > himself as the person of the greatest importance in human > > history for bringing out the knowledge of TM and sidhis, > > then the description of narcissism helps explain the guy for > > me. And as we begin to understand brain chemistry > > better we can perhaps develop a bit of compassion for > > someone so compelled to have an inordinately high opinion of > > himself. > > > > On the other hand, there might be a bit of random > > haplessness to the whole Maharishi deal. I mean how > > many other yogis who fell into such a fantastic reception > > from the world could avoid thinking "damn, I AM da > > man!" So from this perspective perhaps Maharishi was > > not a narcissist in the clinical sense but more of an > > ordinary guy who rose the occasion of his celebrity (his > > success surprising even him)whose personality got distorted > > by his rockstar fame and fortune like many modern > > celebrities. Without a close family to keep him real, > > and through the years ditching those who served that > > function (buh by Jerry) he grew into a Seelisberg pampered > > little prince. Not anything clinical really, but somewhere > > between the unhinged and unchecked ego of a Jerry Lee Lewis > > and the wildly imaginative and ambitions Richard Branson. > > > > Fascinating human story either way. I remember in > > India when he told us "It was the greatest good fortune for > > all mankind...that I decided to come out." He would > > certainly get a gold star in the self-esteem building > > workshop for that one. But for my taste he could have dialed > > it back a notch or 20. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > [I wrote:] > > > > > > Nobody else has weighed in and said > > they don't think > > > > > > Barry's a narcissist, so I guess > > everyone else agrees > > > > > > with me... > > > > > > > > [Curtis wrote:] > > > > > No, if no one weighs in it means that they > > agree with me > > > > > and that makes ME the narcissist. > > > > > > > > I suspect that the narcissist in this scenario > > > > is the person who believes that everyone agrees > > > > with them, whether they say so or not. :-) > > > > > > Yet another Barrygaffe. He's missed the obvious fact > > > that Curtis and I were both saying "Everyone agrees > > > with me." So Barry has just called Curtis a > > narcissist. > > > > > > (Or perhaps he did see that, and that's why he > > carefully > > > deleted the attributions.) > > > > > > Funnier still, he doesn't realize I was parodying > > what > > > *he* does--claiming everyone agrees with him whether > > > they say so or not. Maybe Curtis was too. Hmmm... > > > > > > And all Barry can come up with in the way of > > > demonization is the olde Black Knight sketch that's > > > been invoked here many times, as if he thought it was > > > a brand-new killer weapon. > > > > > > Particularly pathetic given how badly he lost on the > > > "New Yawker" issue. > > > > > > But he's still unchallenged for the Master of > > > Inadvertent Irony title. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of New Yawker Syndrome (which is > > another > > > > word for obnoxious narcissism), it occurred to > > me > > > > that we have a film example of its most distinct > > > > pathology. That is, not *only* the need to turn > > > > every human encounter into a fight, but also the > > > > > > need to declare oneself the "winner" of each of > > > > those fights. The NYN (New Yawker Narcissist) > > > > never loses: > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno > > > > > > > > At least they never *admit* that they've lost. > > :-) > > > > > > > > "I'm invincible!" > > > > "You're loony!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
