--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > If that's what you want out of a spiritual teacher, I'm 
> sure
> > > > > > there are many out there who will provide it.  Me, I'd be
> > > > > > happier with someone who told me the truth.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What is truth?
> > > > 
> > > > And from what state of consciousness?
> > > > 
> > > > Hilarious.
> > > 
> > > It is true that knowledge is different in different states of 
> > > consciousness. However, in my opinion, we only benefit in our 
> quest 
> > > for spiritual growth if exposed honestly and forthrightly to an 
> > > enlightened point of view, no matter the discomfort it causes 
> us. 
> > > 
> > > It is like being disciplined as a child. If we are always 
> presented 
> > > with just the child's point of view, we never grow up. So the 
> > > realities of the enlightened and the ignorant are quite 
> different, 
> > and 
> > > at the same time it greatly behooves the ignorant to be exposed 
> to 
> > the 
> > > naked reality of the enlightened, if they truly want to gain 
> that 
> > > release of suffering for themselves. 
> > > 
> > > Of course, the ignorant are always free to continue suffering 
> > > eternally if that is their choice; forever approaching freedom 
> and 
> > > then backing away, because the perceived pain of confronting 
> their 
> > > boundaries is greater than the perceived reward of freedom from 
> > > suffering. Totally their choice. Personally, I call that fence 
> > sitting 
> > > and it has never any much benefit for me.
> > 
> > How many kids have you raised?
> 
> I am raising my daughter (14) if that's what you mean. The point 
> being that there must be a balance to raise a child properly and 
> give them loving and good guidance. If I was always following my 
> child's lead, she wouldn't like it much, nor would I. To avoid 
> sharing wisdom with someone is absurd, unless you have none to 
share.

A 14-year-old is basically an immature adult. BIIIG difference 
between 14 and, say, 4. If you deal with a 4 year old as though 
they're an adult, they may well not have a clue what you're talking 
about, NOT because they don't have the life-experiences to related, 
but because they don't have the processing ability to grasp the 
concepts.





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