Bob, thanks for a peek behind the curtain.  Short comment below:

--- In [email protected], Bob Price <bobpriced@...> wrote:
. One of the reasons I left the movement was that I
> just couldn't keep mustering the "cognitive dissonance" required to
give the
> "improved social behaviour" part of the intro and be honest with
myself about my
> own behaviour and the behaviour of the many initiators I knew.

Not exactly related, but my "moment" came at Livingston Manor around
1977 or 78 when I got interviewed by Reed Martin for going on a
"mission" to Zambia.  I was rejected,  for relating what was a pretty
good experience, but one which I guess scared him.  And at that moment I
realized I had to leave.  I went to NYC with no money.  My parents wired
me some money but for some reason it was too late for the Western Union
office to get it.

There was a women there who saw that I was "homeless" for the moment and
offered to let me stay in her apartment.  It was tiny and terribly
cluttered, and she had what I recall was a big dog.  I found a place to
bed down on a large chair.  I left early in the morning, and traveled
back home.

And yes, I have come to realize that it is only by rigorous (and
unflinching) self examination that one can make progress on the
spirtiual path. But I have also found that the practice of meditation
has helped lubricate that process.  I don't feel bitterness towards my
time in TMO, partly becasuse I don't think that I ever bought into that
notion that "meditate and everything would fall into place".  But like
you I found the eastern schools of thought and POVs fascinating, (and
still do for that matter), but I have ceased following a teacher, or
ascribing to a particular "teaching".  Net, Net, my experience in TMO is
one I wouldn't trade.

I could elaborate more, but think I'll stop here.

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