> > If, so it's another Turq flip-flop, since Turq recently > > proclaimed to be a non-believer in a transcendental > > experience. Go figure. > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius: > All our experience is subjective, even that of the outside > objective world about which we construe facts... > So, we get knowledge from personal experience, the senses, and through verbal testimony. The facts are what we infer, based on our knowledge, or what seems reasonable to us from observation. We know things to be true by inference; we can infer the facts due to our valid means of knowledge.
For example, we know from experience and observations that human excrement always flows downstream. And, we know this from the verbal testimony of others; and we know this by using common sense. These are the facts of our subjective experience. If shit didn't flow downstream, it might fly up into the air! > He says certain things. Sometimes he seems to take > viewpoints opposite of what he wrote about before... > So, I wonder why Turq can't understand this, and why is he inserting into the accepted and valid means of knowledge, a 'transcendental will', when everyone know that Turq no longer believes in transcendence? It just doesn't make any sense, but it does prove that Turq gets really mixed up sometimes. Go figure. > > It all depends on what you mean by "knowledge" and what > > you mean by "belief". Knowledge means having reasons, or > > justification for having a true belief. "Believing" just > > means that you think something is true. > > > > So, belief is a factor of knowledge. > > > > Another factor of knowledge is truth. We can only know what > > is true - we cannot know what is false. So, how is it that > > people wind up with false beliefs? > > > > Something is true when we have lots of good reasons to > > believe that it's true - we have justification for our > > beliefs. Usually we get justification through our senses - > > seeing is believing - and so we infer that certain events > > are true based on our personal experience. > > > > So, we can believe something is true based on what we see > > and what we experience. We also believe something is true > > based on what we infer, and we believe something is true > > based on the verbal testimony of others. > > > > So, what Turq just wrote is basically his belief and he > > believes that it is true. But, to deny personal experience > > is a little more than bizarre! So, where do you think the > > Turq gets these beliefs, if not from others or from books > > he read? How would Turq know that a subjective experience > > is of no value to any one else? Does Turq believe that he > > has knowledge that is superior to sense experience? > >
