Thank you so much Ravi!! You have a very interesting story. And I can now see your inability to sleep for those periods is something quite different than what might happen in TM. If I understand you correctly, it seems as if you had too much energy. And later you crashed. It has some associative points of contact with manic-depressive states. I am just knowledgeable enough to know that kundalini-style yoga seems to emphasize moving energy around the various chakras. The problem in TM seems to be that the recognition within oneself of this silent innerlayer never leaves even during sleep. Your state was high energy, the TM state during sleep might be compared to a dimly lit candle-- but one nevertheless never goes out even during sleep. I am go thankful that you nshard this with me. I have a great awareness now of what happened to you and maybe it is also a cautionary tale against using this type of yoga in some cases. Cheers Bill
From: Ravi Yogi <raviy...@att.net> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson <ameradian2@...> wrote: > > Unlike Ravi, Jim, and perhaps Robin, I really find the whole notion of not > sleeping very troubling. Bill, I have to clarify that I mostly sleep like a log now, I did mention that I didn't sleep much for a few months during my Kundalini descension and explained that I believe now that it was an unnatural state since my body had decided it was under threat and probably never triggered the right chemicals that would let me fall asleep. > In any event I want to make this my last post on the subject, given that it > has developed into some side issues that I never meant to dig > up. No worries - welcome to FFL, threads veer off in all different directions and several are hijacked for personal battles. Pretty soon you will be familiar with the opposing players and if need be either indulge or learn techniques to steer clear. > Thx so much Barry. I took your admonishment seriously and I felt, and do > still feel, it was heartfelt. And yes you are right. I have taken them at > their word, even though I know this is such a subjective thing. Nevertheless, > even if they only got close to so-called 'Enlightenment' it is very > interesting to talk to them and see what state of mind they were in and what > effect it had on their personal lives. I have to clarify that I have never used the "E" word, I only share my experiencesin the hope it might help or inspire someone.In fact I frequently sometimes I think there's something wrong with me, my personal situation is messed up, there's lot of strife,struggle in the world, the problems require someone mature and responsible but yet here I am I feel blissed out for no reason and act in a silly playful manner like a child. > Ravi, I would still be very interested in hearing what you have to say > concerning how, and in what way, these types of intense periods of > illumination has helped you. I would have to first briefly describe these intense periods of illumination. Over a period of 7 years I went through a several stages which I would refer to as Kundalini ascension, each experience lasted a week or 2 where as the energy ascended to my head I noticed heightened sensitivity, intense emotions and toward the end, intense derealization & depersonalization ending in a powerful surge of energy that would leave me in an absolute dread and then boom it would be gone and I would sleep exhausted. The end phase almost happened in the night time with heightened senses as if on guard against an attack. I would return to normal consciousness the next day. I have to add a quick disclaimer here that I have never tried any psychedelic drugs or never been on any prescription medication ever. However the period above was followed by intense personal problems with my marriage, wanting to feel love and be loved, being in a emotionally abusive relationship. I had a final intense one in 2009, however unlike the previous ones when I got up the next morning I was in intense bliss, as if intense blissful energy had entered in to me. This episode lasted 3 weeks and was one of the 2 episodes of Kundalini descension, the other one in April-May last year which everyone here is aware of because of my erratic behavior.The first in 2009 for 3 weeks and second for 6 weeks. Unlike the previous experiences which were very uncomfortable, this was pure bliss which increased in intensity, I felt as if energy was descending in droves, as each day progressed and at the end I went through a stage of psychosis which helped my body, mind, ego to make the transition. The state of psychosis was only a few hours during the first whereas in the second it was much intense and over a period of 5 days. After I hit the peak, the psychosis enabled me to survive, and it took me up to 2 weeks to recuperate, I am awed and amazed at this experience and I can't believe I made it out alive. After the first Kundalini ascension experience passed I found in a better, newer way of functioning, however total integration and understanding on my part wasn't complete until last year and may be still continues. Unlike many here with TM who seem to have a lot of details on higher states of consciousness I had none, all I had was my Guru's grace, blessings and my stubborn insistence on following my own path. Post my experiences I note a blissful center within myself, I continue with the same habits, likes and dislikes however the lack or presence of anything doesn't bother me in the least. My thoughts are not chaotic, I'm very relaxed, very unhurried, there's no rush to be anywhere or do anything, no anxiety, no fears, lack of personal boundaries, easily can relate to anyone in a loving, friendly way, the others and the world feels like an extension of myself and I cannot create any "suffering" anymore.Since the mind is very still, doesn't make any "stories" I feel happy and blissful for no reason, on the other hand sometimes I feel deep incredible sadness as well. My awareness makes me meet the ever changing reality as it is without any preconceived notions so it makes me extremely adaptable and totally unruffled to any unexpected situation that I come up with.
