--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@> wrote: > > > > > > That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul. > > > Apparently he can't keep his sources separate. > > > > > > Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it? > > > > Not moi. That's been clear for some time. > > All his various smoking-gun missteps along these lines > are just the kinds of things someone on the outside > looking in would be likely to assume about how the > technique is taught and practiced. It makes perfect > sense for such a person to figure that something called > "checking" in the TM context would of course involve > having one's mantra checked, either as part of the > routine or upon request. He may even be remembering > point 23E from having read the checking notes and > erroneously thinking that's what it refers to. >
Checking doesn't mean checking the mantra. The purpose of checking is to give the right *experience* of meditation, which is effortless meditation. Other than point 23E, the only time an initiator explicitly checks the pronunciation of a mantra is individually with new meditators after the third night of checking. The wording in Maharishi's checking notes is brilliant and in this instance very delicate so as not to make a big deal out of it or risk disturbing the innocence and naturalness of meditation: "And you remember your mantra?" [Assumes everything is AOK, but whether yes or no, it doesn't matter.] "Whisper softly what you feel it is." [This is so cool. You engage his "quiet feeling" not his noisy intellect by saying, "What do you *think* it is?"] If the mantra was wrong, you just reassure him it is all right now. Anything that creates doubt and confusion about meditation or pronunciation of the mantra is the antithesis of the checking procedure and effortless meditation. > > > > No wonder he won't give out the basic names of > > > his initiator and his course(s). > > > > > > But I am impressed. > > > Apparently Namkhai Norbu's webinars now give > > > modified instructions in TM. It's just no longer the > > > same old vajra-japa you seen in the Buddhist Tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" LEnglish5@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > One POV worth considering is that since TM does not > > > > > > generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality > > > > > > or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and they would > > > > > > not remember the "original" sound they were given, but > > > > > > the morphed version. I know mine morphed so that I had > > > > > > to be re-told it on checking several times... > > > > > > > > > > As much as anythign else I suspect that that was a nod to > > > > > your anxiety, rather than an essential part of checking... > > > > > > > > He seems to think that it's a routine part of checking > > > > for the meditator to tell the checker his/her mantra, > > > > whereupon the checker corrects it if necessary. > > > > > > > > Not the case. Any TMer who's ever been checked would > > > > know this; any TM teacher (or anyone who has taken > > > > checker training) would know this. > > > > > > > > Even if the meditator *asks* to have the mantra checked, > > > > it's extremely unlikely the checker would "nod to his > > > > anxiety." The checking procedure is formulated so as to > > > > *disallow* checking of the mantra (see point 23E of the > > > > checking notes). The checking procedure is designed to > > > > make the meditator comfortable with using whatever s/he > > > > remembers, "morphed" or otherwise. > > > > > > > > It's not impossible that if the meditator made a huge > > > > fuss, his/her initiator might be brought in to check > > > > his/her mantra, but the checker would stand on his/her > > > > head to avoid it by simply going through the regular > > > > checking procedure loops as many times as necessary in > > > > the hope that the meditator says the hell with it. The > > > > whole idea is to discourage any anxiety the meditator > > > > may have about correct pronunciation. >
