--- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > Thanks RD, and thanks to all of you here who are or were TM teachers. > > The technique transformed my life, remade me. Each of you is a blessing. Each > of you transformed the world, one initiation at a time. Looking back it is > amazing what was done - A vast battle waged globally against the limitations > of consciousness. > > Although the lamp was lit by Maharishi, without you, his knowledge, the > simple technique of TM, would never have come to the world. I am not here to > defend it or rank it. Nonetheless, all of you brought something unique into > the world during your generation, and the world, imo, is a much finer and > richer place, with amazing children for our future, as a result. >
Jai Guru Dev. All glory to Guru Dev. "A soft impulse of love is the sole life of a melting heart. A tiny hope of love brings the light of dawn through the darkness of a lengthy night, and love, small, even as the twinkling of the faintest star, keeps the light at the altar shining." --Maharishi, "Love and God" > --- In [email protected], "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > As someone who attended some of my checking sessions provided by TM > > > teachers, I was never asked to verify my mantra or how it was used. The > > > intent during checking was more to point out the innocent nature of > > > thought through experience, and use that as a model for appreciating the > > > mantra during meditation. > > > > > > As for the mantra's confidentiality, its kind of like my middle name, > > > something I would rarely think to bring up in conversation. It just is. > > > Also, I don't think of my mantra as mine. It was lent to me 36 years ago, > > > for use as instructed. > > > > > > Although money ($65) was exchanged prior to my initiation, I didn't buy > > > my mantra. If I had, I'd be able to sell it to someone else so that they > > > could use it as effectively as I have. The price paid was instead a very > > > effective rent of the mantra, with instructions, costing me about 3.5 > > > cents per week at this point. > > > > > > One of those instructions is to not share the mantra or speak it out > > > loud. I figure since it is a rental, why jeopardize my investment by > > > using it in a way it isn't intended? So I respect the rental agreement as > > > stated, and don't mess with it. > > > > > > > Excellent point, Jim. Honoring your agreement to keep your mantra private > > is a matter of integrity. Your respect for "mantra on loan" is laudable. > > IMO appreciation for the delicacy of the mantra safeguards its subtle > > energy. I've used the planted seed analogy many times and it's apropos for > > this post: "Once we plant a seed we leave it alone so that it grows > > stronger and more powerful. We don't weaken its growth by digging it up. In > > that same way, we don't speak out the mantra, we keep it to ourselves." > > > > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As a (mere) checker I certainly had no access to anyone's mantras, let > > > > alone their correct pronunciation, at any rate! :-) > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "emptybill" <emptybill@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul. > > > > > > > Apparently he can't keep his sources separate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not moi. That's been clear for some time. > > > > > > > > > > All his various smoking-gun missteps along these lines > > > > > are just the kinds of things someone on the outside > > > > > looking in would be likely to assume about how the > > > > > technique is taught and practiced. It makes perfect > > > > > sense for such a person to figure that something called > > > > > "checking" in the TM context would of course involve > > > > > having one's mantra checked, either as part of the > > > > > routine or upon request. He may even be remembering > > > > > point 23E from having read the checking notes and > > > > > erroneously thinking that's what it refers to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No wonder he won't give out the basic names of > > > > > > > his initiator and his course(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am impressed. > > > > > > > Apparently Namkhai Norbu's webinars now give > > > > > > > modified instructions in TM. It's just no longer the > > > > > > > same old vajra-japa you seen in the Buddhist Tantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" LEnglish5@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > One POV worth considering is that since TM does not > > > > > > > > > > generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality > > > > > > > > > > or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and they would > > > > > > > > > > not remember the "original" sound they were given, but > > > > > > > > > > the morphed version. I know mine morphed so that I had > > > > > > > > > > to be re-told it on checking several times... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as anythign else I suspect that that was a nod to > > > > > > > > > your anxiety, rather than an essential part of checking... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He seems to think that it's a routine part of checking > > > > > > > > for the meditator to tell the checker his/her mantra, > > > > > > > > whereupon the checker corrects it if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not the case. Any TMer who's ever been checked would > > > > > > > > know this; any TM teacher (or anyone who has taken > > > > > > > > checker training) would know this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the meditator *asks* to have the mantra checked, > > > > > > > > it's extremely unlikely the checker would "nod to his > > > > > > > > anxiety." The checking procedure is formulated so as to > > > > > > > > *disallow* checking of the mantra (see point 23E of the > > > > > > > > checking notes). The checking procedure is designed to > > > > > > > > make the meditator comfortable with using whatever s/he > > > > > > > > remembers, "morphed" or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not impossible that if the meditator made a huge > > > > > > > > fuss, his/her initiator might be brought in to check > > > > > > > > his/her mantra, but the checker would stand on his/her > > > > > > > > head to avoid it by simply going through the regular > > > > > > > > checking procedure loops as many times as necessary in > > > > > > > > the hope that the meditator says the hell with it. The > > > > > > > > whole idea is to discourage any anxiety the meditator > > > > > > > > may have about correct pronunciation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
