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--- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity > > of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their > > attempts to be vigilant about that. > > Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set > of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very > clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting > these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of > impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very > best to honor their Master. These are MMY"s wishes and rules, and things will > not change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time > with MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he > would loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in > Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and > John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Buck wrote: > > > > > Mark, given these modern times and communications you would think so. In > > > the marketplace people are way more studied and way more exposed to gurus > > > and spirituality than probably ever before. However, on the ground in TM > > > here in FF you need a valid badge. Effectively participation is with a > > > one-guru badge in application. The TM-TB's left inside in control of > > > participation are more strictly 'one-guru' devotees. Disciples. They put > > > that standard over on everyone else, even on those who may just be > > > practitioners and not devotees. > > > > > > Here in Fairfield last week for Guru Purnima you had to have a 'valid' > > > dome badge (be an eligible TM-siddhi practitioner) to go to the > > > TM-movement's guru celebration. In effect that left thousands of old-time > > > badge-less meditators out to themselves. The FF TM-no-badge-nik > > > meditators. Inside there are only a few hundreds active left here with > > > badges yet close to three thousand adults here who previously had come > > > here to Iowa as TM-meditators. There essentially is a fealty test going > > > on by the conservative elements in the middle putting up the threshold of > > > a TM-Siddhis 'dome badge' to old meditators coming in to even celebrate > > > Maharishi as a guru. It's a very calculated policy on the part of a TM > > > taliban-like doctrine-bound element inside. > > > > > > You would think Guru Purnima could be a time to be forthcoming, > > > hospitable. A time to gather. As I survey around on the street, there is > > > still in the old meditating community a residual or latent hope that > > > things could work out for TM here but practically folks express only dim > > > hope given the general lack of social skills within TM in reality. > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Buck in FF > > > an old Iowa meditator > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. > > > > Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early > > > > '80s, but, after that, no. > > > > If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. > > > > If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep > > > > him as a master. > > > > I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. > > > > But perhaps it is time for us to move beyond masters. That was a viable > > > > way to grow spiritually in the past, but, perhaps, not so much now. > > > > I think our times call more for us to find our own way, or to find > > > > teachers who will accept us without demanding that they be masters, > > > > teachers who serve us well from where we currently are, but who > > > > acknowledge their own imperfections and that not all they teach will > > > > perfectly serve everyone. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > m > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for all your recent posts. They have really been a > > > > > wonderful read and very insightful. > > > > > > > > > > Since you had the opportunity to experience Maharishi in a way that > > > > > most of us never did, I am wondering how you feel about Maharishi > > > > > being a "master", and if you feel or felt that he was or is your > > > > > personal master? Its an area that I have gone back and forth on many > > > > > times throughout my life and still hold some confusion about. > > > > > There is no question that TM has worked for me and that being around > > > > > him was very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in the > > > > > league of a true master, particularly with all of the things that > > > > > just don't make sense about him. > > > > > > > > > > Your insight would be most helpful 5'm sure if you don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > > > Fruitful, fruitful! You continue to be a huge addition to the > > > > > > > content here Mark. Your exchange with Robin on your experiences > > > > > > > with Maharishi were fascinating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was surprised to learn that Bevan wasn't a skin boy. I thought > > > > > > > that was one of his claims to fame when he was first with > > > > > > > Maharishi in India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mega intense world at Maharishi's door is so worthy of a > > > > > > > book, many books for each person who wants to tell this story. > > > > > > > One of the most fascinating books I have read was by Mao's > > > > > > > personal physician. You get an insight into his character you get > > > > > > > nowhere else. Same for you guys in the hot seat carrying the hot > > > > > > > seat. Any details you sprinkle here will fall on many delighted > > > > > > > ears. I enjoy your divine experiences as much as any insights > > > > > > > into the more human side of Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Curtis > > > > > > > > > > > > When I knew Bevan in the 70s, he confided in me that he was always > > > > > > jealous of the skin boys because he had never gotten to do it > > > > > > himself. I don't know what happened after I left, in '76. My guess > > > > > > is that he never really played that roll, that M had bigger and > > > > > > better ideas for him and didn't want to jeopardize them. I would > > > > > > think, though, he got to physically carry the skin in brief, > > > > > > sporadic situations, but not in the traditional up close and > > > > > > personal way for long periods of time. Please correct me, anyone, > > > > > > if they know more. > > > > > > > > > > > > I started to write a book about it, but decided to let others do > > > > > > that. One of those things... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
