Hello, Short,, done TM 1968-1973, met Maharishi in Spain, he gave me a mantra... also met J. Krishnamurti in 1979.-
Conc. your "There is the case of Krishnamurti of whom Maharishi said was 'too far gone in unity'."...: If M. meant JK. was too far gone, I wonder then why, when they met on a flight, M. went to JK. and asked him to join and make a joint entreprise/organization/business? There is a certain disrepancy in what M. said and what he did... but then life is full of contradictions/paradoxes... (or is this justification applicable in this case?) Regards, JB --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: > > > > > > I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions > while in unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe, > Maharishi himself defined unity consciousness and to my understanding > initially agreed that Robin was in it, to conclude independently of > Maharishi that Robin was not in u.c. is troublesome. It adds too many > complications to the story. > > > > Saying that someone's experiences of Unity is not the same as saying > someone is fully in Unity. > > > > BTW, MMY definitely said that a test of Unity is if you can perform > any and all of the sidhis to perfection. Robin and every other person > proclaiming themselves in Unity on this forum rejects this claim (I > presume because they can't pass the test). > > > > I mention this to my non-meditating friends and they laugh long and > hard because it is obvious. the reason WHY this test is rejected as > being valid. > > > > > > L. > > > > > > How do you feel about those traditions that eschew special powers as an > impediment to spiritual progress? For example in Yoga Vasistha there is > the following" > > > I shall now describe to you the method of gaining what is attainable > (siddhi or psychic powers) towards which the sage of self-knowledge is > indifferent, which the deluded person considers desirable and which one > who is intent on the cultivation of self-knowledge is keen to avoid. > > and > > > Psychic attainments (siddhis) bestow everything on one whom they seek: > after having destroyed his wisdom, they go away. > > There is the case of Krishnamurti of whom Maharishi said was 'too far > gone in unity'. Krishnamurti said: > > > 'So meditation has a significance. One must have this meditative quality > of the mind, not occasionally but all day long. And that implies another > thing, which is: this something that is sacred, not imagined, not > fantastic, affects our lives not only during the waking hours but during > sleep. And in this process of meditation there are all kinds of powers > that come into being. One becomes clairvoyant, the body then becomes > extraordinarily sensitive. Now clairvoyance, healing, thought > transference and so on, becomes totally unimportant. All the occult > powers become so utterly irrelevant and when you pursue those you are > pursuing something that will ultimately lead to illusion. That is one > factor.' > > Shri Ramakrishna has stated that a man cannot realise God if he > possesses even one of the eight occult powers. He quoted Lord Krishna > teaching Arjuna "Friend, if you want to realise Me, you will not succeed > if you have even one of the eight occult powers. This is the truth. > Occult power is sure to beget pride and pride makes one forget God." > > A story from Zen tradition: > > Two monks left their master and sought for the Buddhist Way. They > practiced different methods in cultivation. The elder monk practiced > supernatural/psychic power, while the younger monk practiced reciting > Buddha's name in cultivation. > After a few years, the two monks came back to visit their master. They > met each other in the jetty, waiting for the boat to take them across > the river. > Soon the boat came. Suddenly the elder monk jumped into the river. With > his psychic power he drifted on the surface of water and crossed the > river quickly. The younger monk took the boat and crossed the river > slowly. After that, he gave the boatman a penny for the fare. > The elder monk showed his self satisfaction and said arrogantly to the > younger monk, "What have you attained after you cultivated the past few > years? See, I have attained the psychic power." > The younger monk did not care what the other monk said and replied, "Oh, > it is just worth a penny!" > > The question must be asked whether the siddhi requirement mentioned by > Maharishi is true or false. No one in the TMO now and in the past > appears to have demonstrated perfection in this; and in fact, it would > seem that it might not be possible to detect the effect of all the > siddhis. Maharishi did not appear to have given any demonstration of > this requirement. Considering these powers are considered trivial or > even a danger in some traditions, what are we to think? It is possible > to speculate that Maharishi said it because it encouraged people to keep > on their programme. Yet some seem to have experienced adverse effects > from this programme. If the requirement is false, it would serve to keep > people trying to develop these abilities indefinitely, perhaps to their > detriment. > > I seem to have read somewhere, long ago that practice of the siddhis, at > least for those steeped in ignorance, would encourage persistence of > practice because of the resulting unusual experiences. > > If the requirement is true, then the current evidence is everyone has > failed miserably to attain enlightenment. Thus SRM, the world plan and > its successors are a total failure. >
