Well put! Funny how simply getting out of our own way leads to an entirely new vision of life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@...> wrote: > > Quite so! I suspect that most humans throughout history didn't know they > weren't supposed to be able to access multidimensional reality. Today of > course we know better, so most of us have the common courtesy to ignore the > inevitable anomalies. Amazing, the minutiae that we start to notice when we > give up believing and politely pretending we can't perceive them :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > Great! I have listened to a lot of people over the years and the things I > > experience with regard to subtle senses aren't that unusual except possibly > > wrt consistency. Everybody experiences such things. They aren't as rare as > > some would believe, nor is the world as small and predictable as many > > would like to believe.:-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing these experiences Jim :-), I have really enjoyed > > > them. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > To address another assumption of yours, I never have spoken with those > > > I see who have passed on, nor they to me. It is all visual so far. I > > > also do not try to communicate with them - it is a very quiet and subtle > > > experience. Anyway, just wanted to clear that up. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I don't consider any of my experiences in terms of what they > > > might look like to others, or from a historical or statistical > > > perspective. That would be a strange way to live, wouldn't it? Always > > > comparing our experience to some sort of cosmic guinness book of world > > > records? What a trap. What a prison. So you find my experiences unusual? > > > OK, I don't. I enjoy sharing such things because they can be commonplace > > > for any of us, and part of my intent is to show that there is nothing > > > special about them, at all. > > > > > > > > > > I would never attempt to contact your mom. It is a violation of life > > > to do such a thing, treating her as part of a parlor trick vs. the > > > wonderful kind and perceptive person you have described her to be. You > > > on the other hand could probably get in touch with her directly quite > > > easily, imo. I have nothing to prove. Life is a wonderful and fantastic > > > mystery and will remain so, no matter how much we know. > > > > > > > > > > Sure I know about lift and airfoils and step motors and > > > piezoelectric transducers and how they work, and yet I find flight much > > > more fascinating than being with those who have passed on. Maybe that > > > wouldn't be the case if I were a pilot.:-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to investigate a word you used possibly without > > > thinking, to characterize the experience I mentioned before, that of > > > death being an obvious illusion. The word is 'profound'. I absolutely do > > > not consider my experiences of those who have passed on to be > > > 'profound'. Out of the ordinary perhaps, but profound? No way. It has > > > been happening for too long to amaze me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand how this could become common enough to be > > > considered as ordinary, but in the context of human knowledge, a first > > > person account, if credible, of life after death is more than just > > > merely profound. It would be the single most significant revelation of > > > human history. What an experience like this represents is something > > > beyond just a religious belief in an afterlife, but the beginning of an > > > insight born of direct knowledge from perception. The key to confirming > > > it would have to come from some of the other principles of solid > > > epistemology. If I had 5 minutes conversation with my dear old Mom from > > > beyond the grave, I could confirm to my own satisfaction the truth of > > > life beyond death. And each of us would have the ability with a loved > > > one we knew well to verify this kind of perception. Or actually it > > > would require another step because I could easily persuade myself that I > > > was verifying the information I knew myself. So we would need another > > > step. I would tell you a question to ask my mom and she would tell you. > > > Then you would tell me having had written the answer down and put in the > > > hands of someone else beforehand. Houdini wanted to set this type of > > > verification up with his wife, but never contacted her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I DO consider a *profound* experience is something like > > > what I saw when filling up at a new gas station across from the airport > > > today, a fully loaded 737 landing with absolute precision, and one > > > taking off the same way! That always fills me with awe and wonder, that > > > I am witnessing a profound miracle.:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume you have seen the wonder of flight even longer than you > > > have perceived people who have died standing somewhere. I agree that > > > flight is amazing, but it comes from principles that we as a culture do > > > understand to a high degree of precision. This is a huge distinction > > > between these different types of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > A fascinating discussion about knowledge and how we can be > > > confident about our perspectives. I am not trying to concert you to my > > > view, that would be impossible given your experiences and the > > > limitations of my own. But I appreciate your sharing them with me so > > > that I can consider their value to my perspective. Hey Rory, you got > > > any more of those hot wings for Jim? Talk about miracles! The skin > > > stays crunchy on the outside even with the hot sauce while the inside is > > > moist and tender. Now that's divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
