And then there's this experiment: http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-63912.html
Edg --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "martyboi" <martyboi@> wrote: > > > > Though not strictly a TM meditator, I tend to believe in the ME. I have > > often noticed an intense internal enlivening of "grace" in around spiritual > > groups of various sorts. > > > > I find this "enlivening" everywhere in so many settings - Christian > > churches and monasteries, Buddhist venues and Hindu temples...yes, and even > > around the lowly TM meditators ;-) > > > This may be your own construction. Do you feel the same thing about voodoo > ceremonies? How about about a rasta smoke-in? A religious ritual involving > killing a goat? A human? > > When our subconscious expectations are matched in the environment, our brains > reward us. We get flooded with the expected good feelings. We have > historically been shown to suck at evaluating such groups outside us. You > are judging what is outside by a feeling inside. It implies only > simultaneity, not causality. > > Here is what I propose: we get a curtain and you sit facing away from it. > Across the curtain we bring in a succession of followers of Sebud, Thug hash > smokers from Northern India (the original assassins) and a variety of new age > groups along with a group of guys who used to cut up bodies for the mob. > > Without the visual clues, can you accurately tell what field effect they are > emanating? > > (I can get the Mafia guys and thugs, I need help gathering up the rest.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe that individuals and groups of individuals can be conduits for > > grace to flow into this world...Each member of the group "tugging" each > > member along in a symbiotic manner. > > > > What I don't believe is that the manner in which that grace expresses > > itself in the world is predictable with respect to individuals: as we know, > > "God is no respecter of persons." (Acts 10:34) > > > > Grace influences our thoughts, behaviors and choices in the world and moves > > situations towards positive outcomes. But - it's only through action and > > behavior that it (grace)becomes meaningful. > > > > I am sure that sitting and radiating grace is great. But, Krishna told > > Arjuna to act for a reason...Action is the bridge through which that grace > > becomes manifest. > > >
