--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --My understanding from Maharishi's teaching is that CC is 
> > enlightenment, because in CC one has transcended the ego, and is 
> > acting from the level of pure consciousness, in CC.
> > 
> > GC or God-Consciousness is developed through advanced techniques, 
> > and the TM-Siddhis, in that you become aware and experienced with 
> > the finest state or impulse of being. That is where God manifests 
> at 
> > the finest level, the finest intention is where manifestation 
> arises.
> > 
> > Then you begin to see the remarkable quality of creation, and 
> > realize the perfection and the beauty of the creation, which is 
> > based in love and creativity, and extention of one's self.
> > 
> > After this, one naturally begins to cognize beyond the finest 
> > relative, and realizes that pure-consciousness is all that there 
> is; 
> > Brahman is all that there is; I am that, thou art that, 
everything 
> > is that. UC and Brahman is the same thing.
> > 
> > He has said, that it is beneficial for the Master to verify the 
> > experience of UC, in that it can be disorienting at first, to be 
> One 
> > with everything.
> > 
> Good explanation, except that based on the way Maharishi has taught 
> it, I always got the impression that there was some sort of linear, 
> waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc to brahman, as one 
> state became realized, it overflowed into the next, and so on. And 
> it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc experiences that 
> were fleeting and on the background of intense suffering, and the 
> same with gc. 
> 
> Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally one day I awoke 
and 
> there was no more path, or more appropriately, I experienced 
> complete freedom in terms of spiritual evolution; no more 'seeker's 
> burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was no 'juice' left in 
> any of it and from then on I have had oneness predominating in my 
> awareness and perception. The diversity of the world is still 
there, 
> but it has just switched places in my awareness with oneness. 
> Diversity is secondary now.
> 
> The reason I share this is because I think it is a common 
> expectation among TMers that they will do cc, then get established 
> in it- witnessing all the time, and then that will spill over into 
> gc, experiencing the finest relative all the time, and so on.
> 
> Maybe some folks do it like that, only that wasn't my experience.

MMY never said that that was the only way to go. It's the simplest 
way to talk about it, and without permanently established CC, you 
can't have permanently established anything else (pretty much by 
definition, at least according to MMY's definitions), but you can 
have mixtures of flashes of any state temporarily.





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