--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected],
> "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Good explanation, except that based on the way
> Maharishi has 
> taught 
> > > it, I always got the impression that there was
> some sort of 
> linear, 
> > > waterfall-like experience leading from cc to gc
> to brahman, as 
> one 
> > > state became realized, it overflowed into the
> next, and so on. 
> And 
> > > it just didn't happen that way for me. I had cc
> experiences that 
> > > were fleeting and on the background of intense
> suffering, and the 
> > > same with gc. 
> > > 
> > > Then a quick unraveling of it all, and literally
> one day I awoke 
> > > and there was no more path, or more
> appropriately, I experienced 
> > > complete freedom in terms of spiritual
> evolution; no 
> more 'seeker's 
> > > burn'. All the 'signposts' evaporated. There was
> no 'juice' left 
> in 
> > > any of it and from then on I have had oneness
> predominating in my 
> > > awareness and perception. The diversity of the
> world is still 
> > > there, but it has just switched places in my
> awareness with 
> > > oneness. Diversity is secondary now.
> > > 
> > > The reason I share this is because I think it is
> a common 
> > > expectation among TMers that they will do cc,
> then get 
> established 
> > > in it- witnessing all the time, and then that
> will spill over 
> into 
> > > gc, experiencing the finest relative all the
> time, and so on.
> > 
> > That's what I thought at first, but it became
> clear
> > after a while that CC, GC, and UC were labels for
> > certain distinct types of experiences, points on a
> > continuum, rather than for sequential states,
> although
> > the experiences tend to develop in that general
> > direction.
> > 
> > On the other hand, if someone is having stable,
> > prolonged experiences that fit the description
> > attached to the label God consciousness, for 
> > example, perhaps it wouldn't be wrong to say the
> > person was "in" God consciousness or had
> "achieved"
> > God consciousness?
> 
> How could you have GC without some level of CC? MMY
> has said that 
> true Bhakti can't begin until CC because until you
> know your Self, 
> how could your Self worship God?

When there is an "I" God can't show-up because there's
no room at the inn, so to speak. In CC there's nothing
there so God starts to show up in that utter aloneness
of first awakening.



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