Yep, it seems Foster's critique that looks at revolutionary millennial-ism provides a good framework of criticism toward seeing what we have here with things TM. World Plans, Heavens on Earth, Global Governance, currency, education, healthcare, ethics. It's a rather complete communal revolution.
Foster's critique could work even for recognizing some of what we see posted here on FFL about TM. Of course we got Maharishi, from whom the revolution flows. Every once in a while we get reactionary Christians pushing back. We got intellectual TM-TB'er protagonists like Dick Mays or David OrmeJohnson and then real aggressive revolutionaries like Nablussos posting. Then radicals like Bevan at his level in the background guiding and running the TM movement. He may well be the ruthless radical revolutionary Joe Stalin character of the TM story. And then we've even got the counter-revolutionaries, writers like Turqb, Curtisdb, and Vaj who actively work the internet trying to hold back and then turn the flank of revolutionary TM by providing the negative way of thinking about it. Yup, it all reads a lot like another millennial revolution. Jai Lawrence Fosterji! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Jai Adi Shankara and JaiMaoist meditator Buck(hope Maoist in the > Krishna Blues Curtis sense [:D] [;)] )you "forget to mention to add to > your quotation: > A. A Comparative Analysis of the Oneida Community, the Taiping > Rebellion, and the Mormons during the Nineteenth Century > B.Lawrence Foster, a member of the history faculty at Georgia Tech, a > former president of the Mormon History Association, > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > "Similarly, the potentially disruptive activities of millennial > religious or communal movements (which in Hagopian's framework are > classed as "revolts") also may develop in "revolutionary" or > "non-revolutionary" directions, depending upon their goals and on the > context within which their protest develops." > > > > "When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically > Revolutionary?" - > > (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) > > Lawrence Foster > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: > > > > > > "Before considering these important questions, a working definition > of "polictical revolution" first is necessary. The definition of > political revolution used in this article is drawn primarily from Crane > Brinton's classic comparative study, Anatomy of Revolutions... > > > > > > Brinton argues that for such an overthrow or attempted overthrow to > be considered "revolutionary" the leaders of the movement must also seek > to initiate major changes in the structure of government (as opposed to > simply who is running it), as well as in economic life, social > relationships, and ideological or religious beliefs." > > > > > > "When do Millennial Religious Movements become Politically > Revolutionary?" - Lawrence Foster > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Evidently it's true, that (Maharishi) > > > > > > > > "[Noyes] with (Transcendental Meditation) evidently ably utilized > the wide range of social and financial connections at his disposal to > create a millennial group that skillfully pursued its objectives with in > American society for more than three (five) decades." "... might appear > as extreme at first sight, the group is actually a remarkable example of > how a millennial group can successfully develop its own distinctive > identity, while avoiding destructive confrontation with larger society." > > > > -"When do Millennial Religious Movements Become Revolutionary?:" > - Lawrence Foster > > > > (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is us? > > > > > > > > > "Millennial religious and communal movements typically > anticipate the > > > > > imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly > wicked, corrupt > > > > > existing world order and its replacement by a glorious "new > heaven and new > > > > > earth," in which "the first shall be last and the last first, " > Describing > > > > > millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently > "revolutionary" > > > > > in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger > social order that > > > > > they criticize so harshly" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they > must be > > > > > inherently "revolutionary"... > > > > > > ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex > trajectories of > > > > > millennial movements may lead them to two quite different > directions -either > > > > > toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the > one hand, or > > > > > toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically > results in the > > > > > group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power > holders, on the > > > > > other." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -"When do Millennial Religious Movements Become Revolutionary?:" > - Lawrence Foster > > > > > (Communal Studies Association vol 31,1 2011) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose your millenarian end-of-days and descent of Heaven on > Earth. However, surveying the 60 years of Maharishi and TM in the West > or even just the 4 decades of TM in Iowa the TM movement as a > millenarian movement has tried everything and has both accommodated the > larger culture, been suppressed some, and even dispersed. And it has > changed the larger culture some too. Evidently was revolutionary in its > time too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of > us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are > around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him > speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are > millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been > the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes > it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. > Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial > from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like > one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense > emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by > their "true believer" millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the > divine process of transformation in which they believe they are > participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than > passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. > Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely > non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the > wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more > communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial > kingdom." > > > > > > > > > - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies > Association vol31:1,2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes > > > > > > > > > > are we millennialists? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is us? > > > > > > > > > > "Millennial religious and communal movements > typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a > profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a > glorious "new heaven and new earth," in which "the first shall be last > and the last first, " Describing millennial groups this way implies > that they must be inherently "revolutionary" in their underlying goals > and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so > harshly" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Describing millennial movements in this way implies that > they must be inherently "revolutionary"... > > > > > > > ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex > trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite > different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the > larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and > confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent > suppression by political power holders, on the other." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lawrence Foster , Journal of the Communal Studies > Association v31-1, 2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" > <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, oh......you just confirmed to Buck (and no > doubt Tex) that >you're in on it too Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, > he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As in: "...those who envision a gradually > improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, > many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall > within progressive millennialism, in this typology. <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain > characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely > in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is > significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the > TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Adi Shankara, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
