On Aug 12, 2005, at 2:54 AM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2005, at 10:16 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>>>> Not if what the 'teachersez' is a spontaneous upadesha aimed
> directly
>>>> at what you are experiencing. These are intimate matters and if
> truly
>>>> compassionate they will hit their mark.
>>>
>>> Agreed.  That's a different situation.
>>> And rare in the West as far as I can tell.
>>
>> Relatively speaking (in comparison to large meditation movements),
> oh
>> yeah.
>>
>> Although having said that, there are many mahasiddhas and
> enlightened
>> beings who only met their teacher once or a couple of times in
> their
>> entire lifetime. Once there's been an authentic "pointing out
>> instruction" (of the primordial state) and there is a "connection"
>> given to the lineage of masters, that's all one may need.
>
> So that never happens for someone who learns TM?

Unless TM has radically been "retooled", no.

Of course there will always be those who believe TM can do or be 
*anything*, it's a mantra yoga, it's Sri Vidya, it's the Shankaracharya 
trad., it's a dessert topping AND a floor polish; it slices, it 
dices...



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