--- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > To my knowledge Dr. Herbert Benson never learned TM, he steadfastly > > refused to learn claiming he would no longer be objective about it. > > Keith Wallace hounded him to start, I heard Maharishi hound him > > relentlessly one night and he would not budge. > > > > Though you may be biased towards TM what do you say about the fact > > that he has measured the same physiological changes with meditators > > self-choosiing words such as "one", "rose", "love" etc. > > > > Maharishi, in his Beacon Light of the Himalayas, said you can > > transcend on any sound. > > > > But it may take much more time. I just noticed, once again that > if I pay attention to the phonetic detail of my mantra that > my TM instructor emphasized, I seem to transcend more quickly > and "effectively", despite that obviously being slightly "anti-TM".
But is transcending during TM the "goal" of TM? > The consonant doesn't appear *at the end* of > a word in my native language, apart from a couple of onomatopoetic > words. I guess that's why I might have pronounced it a bit sloppily > after I first heard my mantra. The instructor said that there's a > (peep)*-like sound at the end of the mantra. For instance in English > and , I believe, Chinese that's a fairly common sound as the last > one of a word. > > *) Funny, but that would be very difficult to phrase > correctly in English because of the name of the letter, > that *occasinally* represents the sound in question. > (But, OTOH, can't think of any other letter that would > represent that sound in English.) > It's name starts with the same sound that's the first > sound, in English, of the Jewish rabbi that was the founder of the > religion that's most popular amongst Caucasian(?) people, > although in the name of the rabbi that sound is represent > by a different letter. But in "slangish" style writing > it may also be presented by that very letter, that > at least at the end of English word, at least most > of the time, represents that sound that was a bit difficult > for me to reproduce when I first heard my mantra... ~:0 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hyperbolicgeometry" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "hyperbolicgeometry" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Get a synchronistic picture of your psychological state before > and > > > after meditation. Pics change each minute and are sent in from > around > > > the world: > > > http://www.humanclock.com > > > Click on to the square at top (view the clock); then scroll down > to > > > where > > > it says "random" and click on to it. > > > Each minute will have a new pic. > > > > > > On another topic, some of you may have seen Sri Ravi Shankar and > Dr. > > > Herbert Benson on CNN (Shankar came to Atlanta while Benson was > at > > > Harvard, consulted as an academic "expert".). > > > Benson displayed his usual level of ignorance but this is to be > > > expected...the average CNN viewer (expect for the Chrstian > > > fundamentalists), wouldn't discriminate between various forms of > > > meditation/concentration/prayer/breathing exercises. Benson > lumps them > > > all together under the rubric of the "relaxation response"; and > > > declares them all to be of equal value depending upon which you > prefer > > > coupled with your religious or non-religious background. > > > I found it interesting that Benson borrowed an important > concept from > > > TM (since he was initiated into it long ago): that if you are > > > consciously aware of a thought, innocently recognize it without > using > > > mental force to manipulate the mind; then allow the next thought > to > > > enter the mind...something like that (can't remember the exact > words > > > Benson used but it had a distinctive TM/MMY flavor). > > > Benson has carved out a distinctive academic niche for himself > at > > > Harvard by declaring his "they're all of equal value" manifesto. > I > > > suppose that just from a physiological viewpoing, using gross > > > parameters of relaxation such as breathing amd heart rate, brain > waves, > > > skin response, etc; such forms of meditation/prayers/breathing > > > excercise might be somewhat equal with ballpark data; but the > notion > > > of "transcendance" hasn't apparently dawned on Benson, > intellectually > > > at least. Maybe he's experienced TC but has concealed the fact. > After > > > all, he has an academci career to protect and it's risky to > entertain > > > ideas far from the mainstream of academia. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
