Sorry but I just don't buy the NLP story. It just sounds like a ignorant "flatlander" theory.
On 11/07/2011 12:54 PM, johnt wrote: > Since you seem to not be aware of it NLP deals extensively with sound > vibration known as "auditory tonal" as contrasted to "auditory digital" which > deals with the meaning of words. Read a little before you comment. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@...> wrote: >> The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and >> they won't do that so they'll always be "spectators" and draw false >> conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability >> of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the >> yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way >> but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras >> work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when >> they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat >> a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book >> and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. >> >> On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: >>> No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree >>> it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some >>> early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian >>> photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still >>> early in the process of understanding. >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: >>>> I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing >>>> it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else >>>> without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. >>>> You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be >>>> the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) >>>> >>>> On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: >>>>> Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it >>>>> preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it >>>>> works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do >>>>> do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people >>>>> just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. >>>>> >>>>> What exactly do YOU mean by "charged" >>>>> >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: >>>>>> Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on >>>>>> that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an >>>>>> elephant. :-D >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: >>>>>>> "charge" is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of >>>>>>> philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert >>>>>>> sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: >>>>>>>> That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound "scientific". >>>>>>>> What the puja actually does is "charge" the mantra. In other >>>>>>>> traditions >>>>>>>> you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to "charge" >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute >>>>>>>> puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small >>>>>>>> army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what >>>>>>>> Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the >>>>>>>> mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to >>>>>>>> teach >>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sheeeeeeet. Is that what "brainwashing" is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: johnt<johnlasher20002000@> >>>>>>>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why TM can't be learned from a book >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing >>>>>>>>> the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person >>>>>>>>> learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process >>>>>>>>> know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or >>>>>>>>> "brainwave synchronization," is any practice that aims to cause >>>>>>>>> brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus >>>>>>>>> having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is >>>>>>>>> only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well >>>>>>>>> crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of >>>>>>>>> the mantra. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> > >
