On Dec 10, 2011, at 7:48 PM, zarzari_786 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Vaj, I think it is good you provide the sources for the points you just made. 

They weren't intended as sources per se, but as examples. Fortunately such 
examples exist, because there's much that cannot be spoken of due to vows.

> 
> Among many other things, I like this last paragraph of Swami Rama especially. 
> It also touches on the thing you just mentioned, which is typical of indian 
> sages, as they may have taken vows not to talk negative about other religions 
> or masters. I have learned this point especially by coming across a Jain 
> teaching, who places great emphasis on non-violence, exactly in the way as 
> described below.
> 
> This teaching of non-violence, with respect to religion means that you will 
> not condemn any religious teaching or insult anybody like a nun or a monk 
> from a different sect. It is an important mindset to cultivate, which does 
> not mean that one has to agree with everything, any religion says, quite 
> obviously, but it means accepting the reality of different believers as 
> different facets of one greater truth. 
> 

Well, there is a dark side to such beliefs and one is that molestations and 
criminal behavior can go on unreported. Satya Sai Baba is a great example. So 
is Swami Rama for that matter. So for situations like this HH the Dalai Lama 
says when a practioner is involved in such egregious behavior, it needs to be 
made known via the media.

> If you hurt somebodies emotions, with regard to his deepest convictions, is 
> like a physical agression. It creates karma, and will continue to do so.

When people or large groups of people are being harmed, such vows cannot be 
used to help them hide behind.

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