If I were on a jury, and had to make a determination based on the evidence I have heard over my time on FFL, I would say that IMO the evidence is irrefutable (or at least beyond a reasonable doubt) that Vaj was a very active participant in the TMO.
To me the only evidience, (or lack of evidence in this case) is that no one, here at least, seems to have personal knowledge of his participation. But no one here, except on one ocassion, (Jim Flanagan), has ever brought this up. And based on what I have heard here, Vaj also has an intimate understanding of Robin's past stint as being the leader of his own spirtitual group. So, the accusations listed below don't realy strike a chord with me. Vaj is a pesky adversary, and I have found his arguments to be pretty tight. I don't find instances of the outright lies of which he is often accused. The most egregious behavior of Vaj's I have found so far was when he intentially over posted some time back to foul up the system, just to try to test the moderators post counting, (or something along these lines). I think Alex got pretty pissed off, and I didn't blame him. And quite honestly, I thought that indicated a real lack of integrity on Vaj's part. , --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > You really missed the mark again Robin - you're not even close to the truth. What's up with that? How can you so consistently hit the mark. Do you have a straw man fetish or something? > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:32 AM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > 1. You never seek to address the essence of what someone says in a given post. > > > > 2. You selectively chose segments from a post which you choose to comment on, and those segments usually do not bear upon the fundamental point or theme of the post. You ignore the most important ideas of a given post. You are only interested in using certain aspects of the post to serve your own strange and essentially negative agenda. > > > > 3. You have no motivation that is based upon wanting learn something at FFL, or to clarify some idea, or to argue with some expectation of resolving an issue. > > > > 4. You have no feel for the truth of anything you say; you are not governed by fact or honesty in your posts. > > > > 5. You are an archivist who then appropriates the material and information you collect into the claim that you have lived out these experiences. This is classic fantasizing. > > > > 6. You don't know how to proceed such as to fulfill your own agenda, because you are essentially a confused and disoriented person when it comes to knowing what you are up to when you post at FFL. > > > > 7. You don't know where you are at any moment in your interaction with various persons here at FFL. There is no intellectual or moral or even psychological coherence in what you write such that the reader can estimate where you are going with your posts. You don't know what you are doing at FFL, Vaj: FFL is like some kind of dream you are having and inside that dream you are behaving bizarrely > > > > 8. "Who the hell is Tim Tebow?"direct quote from Vaj two weeks ago. Now it's: "I knew who he was; I just wasn't that interested". Do you ever admit to yourself, not to say others, when you deliberately make what is unreal for you into something that then becomes part of your personal history, as if you have passed through the experience; meanwhile what you say you have lived through remains separate from you entirely. It is never something that is inside of you? > > > > 9. You are in some kind of disassociated state, Vaj: because you don't ever connect the dots. You don't know where you are going; you don't know what you are doing; you have no contact with reality. You are in a very bad state indeed. > > > > 10. You lieand evidently it has reached the point where even you don't know the difference between saying something that is not true and saying something that is true. The line between what is a lie and what is the truth has become so blurred that you don't even know what it is like to know that something really happened to you as opposed to something that never happened to you. > > > > 11. You have no idea of the common denominator of experience of most everyone on this forum. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:01 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > One thing (you wouldn't know about this personally) about TM and Maharishi: it makes you contemptuous and patronizing when it comes to discussing Christianity. > > > > > > Well, unfortunately for you, you've probably lost the best conduit to speak deeply re: Christianity & TM in the person of Rev. Curtis D. Blues - as he's the person on this list who spent the most time and attention (that I'm aware of) getting to know the Catholic priest-meditators-as-TMers - the biggies (most if not all whom saw through the veneer of the Faux Holey Tradition and parted ways with TM). I think those who drank deeply of a mystical Christianity broke easily with the sandy ground of TM, based on the rock of their Christ-consciousness. Those with a more superficial Christian sand-consciousness are doomed to the purgatory of up-bubbling mantra till they part their mortal frame > > > > > > At one time Christian Centering Prayer actually resembled TM, although now, not at all. I attribute that change to the Catholic contemplative break with TM-as-perrenialist-panacea and Thomas Keating. > > > > > > > But I think the real giveaway about the East is its implicit sense of superiority over Catholicism, when in fact this very posture is itself evidence of something ultimately not in agreement with reality. > > > > > > Depends on the POV - the "east" is not one homogeneous whole - it's many Points of View, sometimes not merely differing paths on the same mountain (the Perennialists view), but more frequently different mountains altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > You never knew who Tim Tebow was a few weeks ago. I am glad you are now fully au courant. > > > > > > On reflection, I had heard of him, I just had little interest. For me, commercial sports is the primary mechanism for embruing the acceptability of endless war on our children. > > > > > > > > > > > But you are right: I will be ambivalent tomorrow; I like the Tebow miracle storyline, but I also love those Bill Belichick-coached Patriots. Tom Brady and Sidney Crosby and Roger Federer and Jonny Wilkenson are my favourite athletes. > > > > > > > > But I do like Tim Tebow very much: if only for his impressive humility. > > > > > > Indeed, a wonderful human quality so lacking in Christofascism; but I do not know enough of Mr. Tebow to comment on his humility. I believe it was you who once said the sole redeeming quality of mundane Christianity was to keep a person clean till their next life (after which time they'd presumably take up a higher path). > > > > > > > >
