--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" 
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape 
> (in 
> > > > > > reference to 
> > > > > > > setting up TM): "I could have made it a 
> religion"...well, 
> > > > > > somewhere 
> > > > > > > along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- 
> he 
> > > DID 
> > > > > > make 
> > > > > > > it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the 
> > TMO.  
> > > > > > Anyone 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at 
> > MIU, 
> > > > > back 
> > > > > > around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being 
> taught 
> > > in 
> > > > > > several New Jersey schools with great success, and some 
> > > Christian 
> > > > > > Religious group from California, protested that you can't 
> > > teach 
> > > > TM 
> > > > > > in Public Schools, because it's a religion;
> > > > > > The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it 
> to 
> > > be a 
> > > > > > religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; 
> and 
> > > it 
> > > > > was 
> > > > > > decided not to pursue the matter any further.
> > > > > > Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying 
how 
> > > stupid 
> > > > > > were the "powers that be" and more or less said that they 
> had 
> > > > > > condemned the school system to failure, in the United 
> States, 
> > > > > which 
> > > > > > we can see has been fairly accurate.
> > > > > > At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement 
> > > shifting 
> > > > > > toward the stance that it has now;
> > > > > > Instead of working with the established system, the 
> movement 
> > > > > regards 
> > > > > > the established system, whether it be educational, 
> spiritual, 
> > > > > > political, or economic as basically retarded.
> > > > > > In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has 
> > > > > structured 
> > > > > > it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in 
> order 
> > to 
> > > > > stand 
> > > > > > out.
> > > > > > Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how 
> strange 
> > > the 
> > > > > > people in the movement seem to be,
> > > > > > If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, 
> > > > > > I say: "Go for It!"
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was also at MIU as a student at that time.  I remember 
> > looking 
> > > at 
> > > > > the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New 
> Jersey 
> > > High 
> > > > > School students.  Very beautiful book with beautiful 
> > photographs 
> > > of 
> > > > > sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The only problem was that you could replace the 
> word "absolute" 
> > > > that 
> > > > > the Movement used in the book with the word "God" and it 
> would 
> > > have 
> > > > > meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch 
> the 
> > > TMO 
> > > > > on the puja they would have caught them on the book which 
> was 
> > > set 
> > > > up 
> > > > > in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church 
> and 
> > > > state.
> > > > 
> > > > The court pretty much noted that. Infact, it wasn't the puja, 
> but 
> > > SCI 
> > > > that was the thing that caught the court's eye.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, then, you are confirming that my concerns were correct.
> > > 
> > > Makes me wonder why, then, the movement would do such a thing.
> > 
> > Testing the limits, I imagine.
> 
> How about, simply, just plain fucking up?

that's the more obvious interpretation. My own guess is that MMY 
wanted too much too fast.





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