<snip> "As for hugs, that's shakti and it can have that effect. Since I've had one of those "hugs" I can attest there was a lot of shakti in it and no it wasn't mood making. It can break lose a lot of stuff. And some people aren't prepared for that."
Very interesting reading this AM. The Amma "hug" testimonials validate my experience as well. I wasn't at all prepared and it sent me into a "spin" for sure. I equated it to some kind of spiritual energetic electro-shock therapy, but I had no context for it. I was worried for my children, because we did a "family hug" in addition to darshan twice a day for 3 days. My older daughter left on day 2 (she was very unnerved), my younger daughter wanted more and sobbed when we were leaving late in the evening after the Devi Bhava ceremony. But, months later now, I believe it did start the "breaking loose" process and neither child is the worse for it. In fact, as a family, there has been much healing. I am a tiny bit worried that, the last night I took myself through the whole "instant mantra" process out of curiosity versus commitment and was out of integrity on this point. I'm hoping she'll forgive me as I am also pretty sure my younger daughter is going to want to see her again :) >________________________________ > From: Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:47 AM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos > > > >On 12/19/2011 09:15 AM, turquoiseb wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj<vajradhatu@...> wrote: >>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:01 AM, turquoiseb wrote: >>>> On another note (and I assume because you didn't comment >>>> on it that you haven't been following the series), I was >>>> quite taken with "Homeland" because of episode 11. >>> I really liked it too, but I would have preferred an >>> Episode 12 with an exploding vest scene! >> Me, too. That would have fucked with the audience's >> minds big time. >> >>>> In it, >>>> Claire Danes did literally the best job of portraying >>>> onscreen someone suffering from bipolar disorder I've >>>> ever seen. I've been there. I've had personal friends >>>> who were bipolar, and have seen what they're like in >>>> their manic periods. *Having* been there done that, I >>>> tend to avoid certain Internet personalities whom I >>>> suspect of being similarly afflicted. But she just >>>> *nailed* it. >>> She also nailed the sometimes quick cycling to severe depression >>> (not all BPD patients cycle that fast) which made me wonder about >>> a certain internet personality's disappearance and if someone >>> with a connection to him could lovingly check in on him? It's >>> concerning to me. >> As it should be. >> >>>> It's positively SCARY the extent to which people beset >>>> by an episode of mania *believe* in the reality of what >>>> they are subjectively experiencing, to the extent of >>>> losing all contact with how they might be perceived by >>>> others around them. I have found this behavior common >>>> enough in spiritual environments to lead me to think >>>> that it may not be a coincidence. >>> What they also did well was how the inner torment instantly >>> ages the person. If ever there was evidence of a mind-body >>> connection it is the rapid change of appearance in mental >>> illness. >> That's interesting. I'd never really thought about that, >> but in recollection that seems like an accurate perception >> to me. >> >>> Interestingly (to me) the yogic tradition describes certain >>> imbalanced kundalini risings that "cycle" and strongly resemble >>> a Bipolar etiology. >> That's what I was suggesting, yes. >> >> The person we are concerned about is (sorry, Rick) not >> the first person I've met who became somewhat unhinged >> after a hug from Amma. I knew a women in France who >> flipped out completely and had to be institutionalized >> for some months. When I met her she still professed >> love for Amma, but wouldn't go within 1000 yards of >> her on a bet. She described her experience in terms >> I could only associate with watching people go through >> the cyclic manic-depressive stages of bipolar disorder. >> >> Is it the same thing, or something different? Beats me? >> I am no neuroscientist, or even a trained behavioral >> scientist. All I know is that if some of the states >> that we commonly see "awakened" people go through are >> (as we suspect) a little more than "eccentric," it's a >> situation that is made more serious by total belief in >> the sanctity and "truth" of subjective experience. >> >> People have been taught for decades that their subjec- >> tive experience is the holy grail with which to judge >> "spiritual experience" or their "evolution" towards >> something they've been told is enlightenment. At the >> same time, there was no instruction along the way that >> taught them how to differentiate between actual spir- >> itual experience and overwhelming emotion. As a result >> (IMO), they get into a manic state, interpret the >> overwhelming emotions of it as "spiritual," and >> consider what they're going through -- *whatever* >> it may be -- synonymous with Truth. >> >> So in a way the manic states become self-replicating. >> Having convinced themselves that a previous manic >> state was something akin to enlightenment, they >> mood-make more of them. >> >> Or not. Like I said, it beats me. I'm just addicted >> to watching it all go down, and occasionally commenting >> on what I see, as I see it. Others' mileage may vary. > >This is EXACTLY the reason that many traditions DON'T give agni mantras >to the general public. The claim is they can make some people crazy. >Having the properties of agni they are heating and "heat up" the nervous >system. They will make the person more "yin" and of course produce a >manic state. Of course then such techniques done carefully may benefit >someone who clinically depressed or overweight. As for hugs, that's >shakti and it can have that effect. Since I've had one of those "hugs" >I can attest there was a lot of shakti in it and no it wasn't mood >making. It can break lose a lot of stuff. And some people aren't >prepared for that. > >I agree with "Homeland" going out with a bang but then you would have a >villain of the season thing that Cary would have go after and we've seen >that before. I agree with Vaj on the religious context of "Dexter" this >season, though it did allow exploration of some interesting situations. >Speaking of "24" you do know that Manny Coto has been at the helm a >"Dexter" pretty much since "24" ended? It's also why I like the >spiritual context of "American Horror Story" which for once is exploring >ghosts from the perspective of eastern beliefs. I'm a big fan of Thai >movies that do this. On forums where we discuss the show I have been >thinking of messing with their minds a bit as some eastern gurus believe >that you meet ghosts like they are real people and nobody else meets >that being. So who is real and who is not? ;-) > > > > >
