--- In [email protected], "raunchydog" <raunchydog@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you > > > > > either know me or you don't know me, "very likely" doesn't > > > > > enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike you, > > > > > am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you > > > > > my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. > > > > > > > > Excuse me? > > > > > > > > I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but > > > > these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- > > > > inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see > > > > not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo > > > > itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing > > > > something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. > > > > > > > > Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a > > > > Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, > > > > unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near > > > > tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really > > > > that big of a deal. :-) > > > > > > > > Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should > > > > remember and almost revere your experiences, when in > > > > actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we > > > > weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't > > > > all that important*. To you, all involved in them, > > > > they might have seemed more important, but to me, > > > > it's a little like the two of you are describing > > > > going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating > > > > it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) > > > > > > > > Try to remember that most here don't have any idea > > > > what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want > > > > to say something about what it was like to hang > > > > with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Says Barry, nastily defending Vaj's smokescreen, when Vaj, > > > who claims he knew RWC, has yet to say what it was like to > > > hang with RWC. > > > > Raunchy must be on the rag again. I neither mentioned > > Vaj nor "defended" him. I would fully expect that, > > since he clearly doesn't feel that anything of value > > was ever gained by hanging with RWC, that he'd have > > little to say about the subject. Were you expecting > > something else? > > > > Awoelflebater, on the other hand, has suggested that > > "hanging with the Robster" constituted three of the > > most exciting years of her (?) life. Thus she might > > actually have something to say about WHY she feels > > that way. But she hasn't said it. > > > > I'm honestly curious. I know first-hand what it's > > like to hang with a powerfully charismatic teacher > > (although I seriously doubt that RWC could ever be > > referred to using that phrase). Even if history > > later suggests that the individual was merely a > > narcissist experiencing fleeting states of attention > > (and/or psychosis) and inflicting them on others, > > filtering them through his or her own personal > > samskaras, it can be a helluva ride. But awoelflebater > > has said nothing about the *nature* of the ride she > > presumably paid E-ticket prices for over three years. > > > > WHAT made those three years exciting or interesting? > > WHAT benefits does she feel that she derived, at the > > time, and WHAT made her believe that she was receiving > > them? Did any of these perceived benefits linger, or > > persist once she was not in the presence of the char- > > ismatic teacher/speaker/abuser/con man? > > > > I could certainly speak to such issues with regard to > > Rama - Fred Lenz. That was a helluva ride, too, one > > that I actually enjoyed for a time. I'm wondering why > > awoelflebater doesn't seem to speak about the WHY > > she chose to follow RWC around for a while, that's all. > > Vaj never made that choice; his interaction with Robin > > (if believed) was that of a skeptical observer from > > start to finish. Awoelflebater seems to be speaking > > more from the POV of a RWC True Believer. > > Vaj claims to know Robin but has never described a single > circumstance of his interaction with him that would make > his claim credible. How come you got your panties in a > knot over awoelfle's hinting about her RWC days, while > your buddy Vaj has done nothing but *hint* about his RWC > days? The hypocrisy of your demand that awoelfle stop > hinting seems to elude you.
Get a fuckin' life, Raunchy. I have ZERO interest in your Judy-fueled "Vaj is not to be believed because we claim he was never a TMer" vendetta. That's YOUR schtick, and as said before I don't buy it. I think it's just you and others trying Yet Again to find some way to "pre-demonize" a TM critic. I thought I explained fairly clearly why awoelfle's "Tales of Robin" would be more interesting than Vaj's. He has never presented himself as anything but a critic; she was a True Believer. Because I've never perceived Robin to be anything other than a total loser, I'd actually be *interested* in what she could tell me about WHY she considered him something other than one. The only reason I can even *imagine* for someone wanting to hang with the Robinster is that life at MIU must have been SO boring and SO unful- filling and spiritual experiences SO few and far between that students were desperate for *anything* that they thought would spice up their lives, even if it came from a poseur like him. On the other hand, maybe there was something she actually felt or experienced that she can convey to us to help us understand. SHE is in a position to do that, *because she was a Robin TB*. Vaj never was. Are you too dumb to get that distinction? > > I'm curious as to what she felt there was to believe > > IN. I have certainly never seen it, either in his > > writing or speaking at the time back in Fairfield, > > on in his writing here. So it's difficult for me to > > fathom WHY anyone would have ever "signed on" for a > > three-year hitch. Vaj is not in a position to provide > > that kind of information; she is.
