--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Peter 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > I'm curious how many people were learning TM prior to
> > > > "the ban". Probably as many are learning it now! The
> > > > whole thing is so silly. Teach TM if you feel it's the
> > > > right thing to do. What's the worst thing that can
> > > > happen, MMY yells at you?
> > > 
> > > The worse thing that can happen is that you break the promise 
> > > you made when you became a TM teacher. 
> > 
> > And where did you learn this?
> > 
> > Is it inscribed somewhere in the Great Holy Book O' Truth?
> 
> Just a TM-ex snippet I once glanced at.

So that's a reliable source when it agrees with what
you believe, but an unreliable source when it doesn't,
eh?  :-)

> > > Of course, people are always free to do what they like, 
> > > but are you comfortable with advising people so cavalierly 
> > > to go explicitly against the wishes of the guy who taught 
> > > them in the first place?
> > 
> > If the guy has gone crazy, absolutely.
> 
> But you're *certain* the's gone crazy?

Me?  Yeah, I'm pretty convinced of it.

But I think you're missing a big point here.  There is
a very Western assumption in your paragraph above.  It
is that if someone once taught you something that you
found valuable (in this case, TM) you have some sort of
obligation to believe and follow *everything* that 
person says.

It's the classic Western fantasy of what a teacher-
student relationship is -- slavish obedience to the 
person or tradition that once taught you something 
useful.  And interestingly, it has no relationship to
what most Eastern traditions believe the teacher-
student relationship really is.  That is better 
expressed by the Buddha quote on the FFL home page:

"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. 
Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out 
of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due 
examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive 
to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- 
that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as 
your guide."

To abdicate one's ability to think for oneself and
blindly follow the dictates of the teacher is not
the spiritual path; it's the antithesis of the
spiritual path.  









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