Thanks. Looking back I guess I had what is sometimes referred to in TM
lingo as "celestial" experiences. But I don't think I've had anything
along those lines in probably 25 years. That's not to say that I don't
have what I might consider to be "spiritual" experiences, but nothing to
do with refined perception. I guess the closest thing I have now are
synchronicity type events. But I find those to be self validating in
their own way.
--- In [email protected], Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve, interesting story. Â I was using the term as a metaphor in
the case with Amma, but I believe you.Â
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:53 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness and Quantum Gibberish
>
>
> Â
> I'll try sending this message a different way, for the sixth time.Â
Emily mentioned yesterday, that maybe her heart melted a little when
she got a hug from Amma. But watching that video I was glad
that  I was no longer in the mindset of complete adulation and
adoration I saw on many of those faces.Â
> I went on to say, that I did, at one time, work myself into such
a devotional frenzy with Maharishi, that I had the actual sensation of
my heart melting. And it was an absolutely exquisite sensation.
> I was in Courcheval France at the time, staying in the Utter Pralong
Hotel, which was an annex to the Pralong Hotel. My room was at the
near end of the annex where the traffic would turn up to go to the main
hotel. I mention this because it often disturbed my mediation.
> It was also during this time that we were enouraged to do enimas as
well as other purifying procedures.
> There were many good times duirng this period.
> But if someone asked if a "melting heart" was just a metaphor, I would
say it is not just a metaphor. Whether anyone would believe me, is
a another story.
>
> --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > i can't send a freakin message!
> > --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > test
> > > --- In [email protected], Shain McVay shainm307@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually what I
> > > > should say is there was at least a whole bunch of neutral people
> > with
> > > at least
> > > > one skeptic, which was either the police chief of fire chief of
> > > Washington DC.
> > > > He said it would take a foot of snow to reduce crime rate by the
> > > predicted 20%.
> > > > However,Ã after the study was done, they didn't reduce the
crime
> > > rate by 20%, they reduced it by 25%. So this just goes to show the
> > > amount of evidence behind the Maharishi Effect.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Shain McVay shainm307@
> > > > To: "[email protected]"
[email protected]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Consciousness and Quantum Gibberish
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ã
> > > >
> > > > Whoever wrote that never truly did their research. I mean when
they
> > > did the Washington DC study, they had a whole bunch of skeptics in
> > with
> > > them making sure the study was conducted correctly. When they did
the
> > > study not only did all the skeptics agree to all the ways the
study
> > was
> > > conducted, but also they agreed to the findings of the study. The
> > > Maharishi people weren't the only one's directing and
analyzingÃ
> > the
> > > study. The findings of just this one study are overwhelming in
> > > presenting that the Maharishi Effect is true. Now they've done the
> > > studies over 90 times and they've found the same thing happen
> > everytime
> > > - the crime rate goes down.\
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Yifu yifuxero@
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:09 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Consciousness and Quantum Gibberish
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ã
> > > > from Skeptic.com, by Dr. Heinz Pagels, physicist.:
> > > > ...
> > > > "
> > > > The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do
with
> > > the "field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what
physicists
> > > call "the vacuum state" has anything to do with consciousness is
> > > nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps
> > reduce
> > > crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is
> > > foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of
modern
> > > physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of
the
> > > Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive
> > those
> > > who might not know any better.
> > > >
> > > > Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me
> > distress
> > > because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and
> > > profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of
> > > scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of
compassion
> > for
> > > those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to
be
> > > generous to the Maharishi and his movement because it supports
world
> > > peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals could
possibly
> > be
> > > realized within the framework of a philosophy that so willfully
> > distorts
> > > scientific truth (Pagels).
> > > > What Chopra is peddling is quantum gibberish."
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
