On 8/25/05 3:11 PM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 8/25/05 12:50 PM, "gerbal88" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> A true spiritual master shows you how to be
>>> your own master. I don't see MMY/MCS EVER dabbling in this sort of
>>> counterproductive thinking!
>>
>> One thing is only obvious once one can gain some perspective (e.g.
>> after one has met a real master of meditation or yoga) or simply has
>> deep discrimination (between the real and the phony). Once one has
>> met the former, it's immediately obvious what MMY represents.
>
> Just to be fair, someone should point out that what
> you're calling a "real" master may just be one that
> appeals to your sensibilities or predilection.
But that is not what I am referring to. Consider for example traditions
which demand you train in the specific experiences and learn them from
someone who's 'been there, done that'. There is verification all along the
way--if you're a "master" of something--there also should be a reason you
are called that, not merely because you grew a beard and put on a silk dhoti
and can rehash what the pundits feed you ;-).
If someone is a master they should have mastered the states they speak of
and be capable of leading others to that experience, themselves being master
of the various practices which are used for differing students. Furthermore
they should possess the signs of such mastery.
In a valid, living tradition none of this should be ambiguous or vague, but
clear and present. As a couple of us have mentioned on this list and a.m.t,
this often means having a guru mantra so you too can become the guru. 'There
should be no old students.'
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