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> > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
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> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved 
into 
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to 
observe 
> is 
> > to
> > > > > > > > > > > influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be 
> > > > > watching.  :-)
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing 
would 
> > > > happen :-
> > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > How do you know...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Because when there is no watcher/watchee, nothing 
> > > happens :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But how would you know?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Self-evident ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stepping outside the three gunas -- so that Self 
(observer) 
> > and 
> > > > All-
> > > > > that-is are (observed) not different -- is analogous to 
> > looking 
> > > at 
> > > > > the torus from outside, and seeing Vishnu coalesce from 
the 
> > > outer 
> > > > > shell into the base of the inner double-cone (as Sattva); 
> > Brahma 
> > > > > rotate as the singularity at the center of the double-cone 
> (as 
> > > > > Rajas); and Shiva disperse at the top of the double-cone 
> > > outwards 
> > > > > into the outer shell (as Tamas) -- and yet, because one is 
> no 
> > > > longer 
> > > > > involved in the 
> > > > > movie(s) within this Brahman-torus, nothing actually 
> happens; 
> > > the 
> > > > > whole thing is in stasis. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This might be akin to the Work of Byron Katie, wherein 
when 
> we 
> > > > > inquire into the stories of our suffering, we may realize 
> that 
> > > we 
> > > > > have been projecting all of it -- resolving it back into 
the 
> > > > radiant 
> > > > > clarity and loving fullness of our own emptiful not-
> > happening  :-
> > > )
> > > > 
> > > > So why does Vishnu blend with Brahma, and Brahma blend with 
> > Shiva, 
> > > > but Shiva and Vishnu are absolutely distinct from one 
another? 
> > > 
> > > Great question! I used to ask this about Sattva and Tamas, 
which 
> > > were always held to be total opposites and unmixable. I never 
> > really 
> > > got this until seeing their polar functions in the Torus -- 
and 
> > > understanding them as analogous to magnetic poles does help. 
> Even 
> > if 
> > > we see Sattva in its conventional sense as Light and Tamas as 
> > Dark, 
> > > though, it really does make sense. However, it's interesting 
> that 
> > > Siva/Tamas/the Black Hole is (from the point of view outside 
the 
> > > Torus anyhow) actually dispersing outward, rather than 
spiraling 
> > > inward, and Vishnu/Sattva/the White Hole is spiraling inward, 
> > rather 
> > > than dispersing outward...
> > 
> > Yes, perfect sense! And paradoxical with regard to the 'story' I 
> > always wanted to tell myself, and even my cognition of Vishnu's 
> > vibration recently as very sattvic, but I digress...
> > >  
> > > > In other words, what does that transition on the outside of 
> the 
> > > > torus, between the ultimate decay of Shiva, and the growing 
> > > > pregnancy of Vishnu look like or represent? it appears to be 
a 
> > gap 
> > > > of undifferentiated potential; Absolute stillness. No gunas.
> > > > 
> > > > Or is there something there?
> > > 
> > > FWIW I see a golden ring occupying that gap, with spokes to 
that 
> > > ring emanating from the singularity/Brahma-point :-)
> > 
> > Oh right! I remember now you mentioning this awhile back, before 
I 
> > was able to see it. Now it makes perfect sense that the golden 
> ring 
> > would be there. Nothing else quite fits, does it? Ah, so not 
quite 
> a 
> > gap, which given Vishnu and Shiva didn't quite resolve the 
> > vibrational qualities of each...though the golden ring with 
spokes 
> > to Brahma does! Hmmm, thank you again!
> 
> Yes, it would appear to correlate to that golden quality of No-
> space, No-time identity with the "Solar Angel" which one might 
take 
> to be Brahma -- incidentally, Bentov also spoke of this fusion 
with 
> one's Solar Angel on that same Sidhis-prep course, perhaps a year 
or 
> so before I came across the phenomenon:-)

Fusion with one's Solar Angel? Is that the source of divine love and 
wisdom that we connect to once we have died into Brahman? I don't 
know where it is coming from, though it is instantly accessible and 
recognizable- effortlessly so.




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