--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jedi_spock@...> wrote: > > > Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and > concern for him.
Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. > > > Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, > > that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to > > say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listening and > > Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the > > truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wright who is > > an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. > > > > > --- "Jason" <jedi_spock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Robin, please note that Barry hates attention. You can talk > > > to me, IraniTea, Judy, Share and Raunchy. > > > > > > By the way Robin, please elaborate on this point you > > > mentioned below. This particular fresco you mention. > > > > > > > Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San > > > > Petronio to see the fresco of "The Last Judgment" by > > > > Giovanni da Moedena? My friend The Ayatollah did not like > > > > Mohammed's final fate as depicted there. Being bound to a > > > > rock in Hell, getting clawed by demons. > > > > > > > > > --- "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jason, > > > > I can't separate out that particular passage in my letter to Barry. The > > whole thing is a unity (what I wrote there, despite it's seeming desultory > > appearance). To "elaborate on this point" would destroy the integrity of > > what I createdunder the inspiration of approaching someone who finds me a > > repellent or tedious or narcissistic or mentally disturbed human being. I > > responded to his post as best I could. What you read there is all of a > > piece, even as it seemingly is composed of separate and disparate pieces. > > > > On the other hand, if you wish me to talk about Islam in relationship to > > Dante putting Mohammed in the Eight Circle of Hell, I am glad to do that. > > Muslims are ultra-sincere about their religion and they are extremely > > sensitive to any disparaging references to their Prophetas we know from > > the life of Salman Rushdie, himself raised in a Muslim household in India. > > > > In my various trips to the Middle East I talked to numerous Muslims, and > > became friends with a devout Islamic scholar (a convert). I think I know > > how a Muslim thinksboth the Shi'a and the Sunni (they are very different > > by the way: this is most important to know for instance in understanding > > Iran as opposed say, to Saudi Arabia). But all devout Muslims are almost > > incapable of tolerating any criticism of MohammedThis is what Islam does > > to you if you give yourself to it. You are never the same. > > > > About Barry hating attention, I know what you mean here, Jason. Barry will > > be Barry no matter what. My motive in responding to him was because he > > thought it fitting to continue to depict medisingenuouslyas someone > > suffering under some kind of mania. This is absurd, as even his good friend > > Curtis knew. But as long as he feels he needs to do this, I will, if I feel > > it is appropriate, find some way to answer him. What I wrote today, that > > was, for me, the only way to respond to what he had written. > > > > Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the > > last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe > > was listeningand Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the > > truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wrightwho is an intelligent > > and interesting person, by the way. > > > > Robin > > > > > > --- "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in > > > > those first two games? Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen > > > > Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem > > > > with the Dutch side? That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, > > > > however. Can't beat that German discipline. > > > > > > > > Did you know that Max von Sydow says that Ingmar Bergman actually got > > > > to play chess with Deathand lived to tell about it? > > > > > > > > I guess it's hard being a "Clear" if we are to go by John Travolta's > > > > troublesalthough Tom is said to be terrific in "Rock of Ages". > > > > > > > > I think Matt and Trey pretty much insure that Mitt won't be talking > > > > about his underwearlike Bill did in '92. > > > > > > > > Did you know they call the Nissan GT-R Godzilla? > > > > > > > > If I get Boris Johnson to come, you will have a beer with me, right? > > > > Sometimes being a conservative is all right. > > > > > > > > Someone told me you would go after Saint Francis of Assisi if he posted > > > > on FFL. > > > > > > > > Gertrude Elizabeth Margaret Anscombe, she was Thomas Nagel's teacher at > > > > Cambridge, and now it seems, with his book coming out in September > > > > [Oxford], they are getting a little closer metaphysically. > > > > > > > > What is New York all about? They booed Tim Tebow when he showed up at > > > > a Yankees game. That maybe was the first moment when Jesus couldn't > > > > explain to him what was happening. > > > > > > > > Saying the Rosary, it ain't what it used to be. > > > > > > > > Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San Petronio to > > > > see the fresco of "The Last Judgment" by Giovanni da Moedena? My friend > > > > The Ayatollah did not like Mohammed's final fate as depicted there. > > > > Being bound to a rock in Hell, getting clawed by demons. > > > > > > > > I always thought that the appreciation for Anselm's argument for the > > > > existence of God was determined by one's level of consciousness. And I > > > > still do. But you have to use the non-concentration technique. > > > > > > > > One thing about the MMPI: it catches you if you try to cheat. > > > > > > > > I like this one quote, Barry, and it represents my firmest belief: > > > > > > > > "Truth can fight its own battles. It has reality in it, which shivers > > > > to pieces swords of the earth. As far as we are not on the side of the > > > > truth we shall shiver to bits, and I am willing it should be so." I > > > > think it very hard to say what the truth is, but I think truth gives us > > > > enough to let us know when when we are not getting enough reality into > > > > what we say so as to enlist the power of truth. In my case, Barry, I > > > > welcome the opportunity of reading something you write (about me) which > > > > challenges me, and I keep looking for reality in what you say. Because > > > > I would much rather get a dose of realityeven through the medium of > > > > your criticism of me as a personthan to hold to some point of view > > > > which contains less reality than the severe judgment of myself by Barry > > > > Wright. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The interesting thing about taking a test to look at our > > > > > > own various `quirks', like the Myers-Briggs - of course > > > > > > the infamous "Minnesota" - the MMPI - or the more recent > > > > > > DSM III/IV questionnaires, is that you realize how your > > > > > > own perceived flaws are really rather minor things in > > > > > > the big scheme of things. In the scope and complexity > > > > > > of a normal human person they are really no big deal. > > > > > > > > > --- turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The first step of this, of course, would be being > > > > > *willing* to take such tests. This is not always > > > > > possible, given the disorders sometimes involved. > > > > > For example, extreme narcissists display over time > > > > > an almost absolute *inability* to either self-assess, > > > > > or to accept the assessments of others. That is, > > > > > unless the assessments happen to agree with what > > > > > the narcissists want to hear about themselves. > > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You realize that different people are really just that - > > > > > > "different". If you look at it openly you realize that > > > > > > it's really just a smorgasbord of relations...you can > > > > > > eat, or decide not to eat...our differences are merely > > > > > > an opportunity at an open ended appreciation of life. > > > > > > > > > > --- turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why is it, then, that for some on Internet forums, > > > > > the fact that many people don't find them interesting > > > > > enough *to* "eat" is perceived as the greatest sin? > > > > > > > > > > Some just throw out what they have to say and if no > > > > > one replies or pays any attention to it -- or them -- > > > > > they learn from that and try again. Others turn what > > > > > they see as rejection into month-long, year-long, and > > > > > even decade-long grudges, spending their energies > > > > > trying (sometimes desperately) to get others (espec- > > > > > ially those who have "rejected" them in the past) > > > > > *to* recognize them, or respond to them, even if that > > > > > response is in the form of an argument. Sometimes > > > > > *especially* if that response is in the form of an > > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > Such people strike me as a little too needy for my > > > > > sensibilities. If they are so insecure that they only > > > > > feel comfortable when people are paying attention to > > > > > them, so be it, but it's going to be other people. > > > > > I'll pass, thank you. :-) > > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly in the complex interminglings of an email > > > > > > list, all these dramatic exaggerations of so many > > > > > > selves rise into even more drama-laden net-social, > > > > > > very theatrical sufferings. > > > > > > > > > --- turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. And often pathetic ones. Can you *imagine* > > > > > anything more pathetic that someone trying over and > > > > > over and over and over to get someone to pay attention > > > > > to them who has expressed a lack of interest in doing > > > > > so? Or someone who seems to feed off of attracting > > > > > groupies? Or someone whose standards are so low that > > > > > they want to *become* groupies to someone that needy? > > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those earlier personal "minor" sufferings become > > > > > > magnified into a weird internet tabloid UPI feed. > > > > > > And people feed on this weird stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a pretty sad output. > > > > > > > > > --- turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. But it teaches both patience and compassion, > > > > > if you just step back from it and show a little > > > > > discrimination about which posters and which made- > > > > > up dramas are worth getting involved with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
