--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> You see, Judy, I am much more jaded.  I will NOT waste my time 
> reading through 11 pages of platitudes and superlatives to find out 
> what I should have gotten in the first paragraph.
> 
> So, yes, I am lazy. From experience, the TMO has taught me to be...
> 
> But kudos to you for having the time in your day to actually READ 
> ALL of the Movement's publications.  It must be heartwarming to the 
> scribes that spit out this stuff in Holland to know that a TBer is 
> taking the time out to actually READ this stuff...

Actually I only read it when there's a good
reason to do so--say if I have made a claim
about something and it's challenged.  Then I
may well read the whole thing to see whether
my claim holds up or not, 'cause I'd look
awfully silly quoting something in the early
paragraphs as support when it turns out
something later on showed I was wrong.

<snip>
> > > Just the fact that the movement had to qualify what is was that 
> > > Nader actually "received" by saying that the money was to 
> > > be "deposited in a bank" -- where else was he going to keep 
> > > it...under his mattress -- suggests some sneaky wording and 
> > > shenanigans going on.
> > 
> > Uh, no, it doesn't.  This was all quite
> > straightforward as far as the transfer of money
> > was concerned.  The point wasn't bank vs.
> > mattress; it was that the money wasn't for his
> > personal use.
> 
> Gee, then say it in the first paragraph, don't call it an "award" 
> and don't say that Nader "received" the money.

As I already pointed out, this is standard
language.  Scientists "receive awards" of money
to continue their research all the time, and
that's exactly how the process is described.
Nothing at all misleading about it.

> > > Sorry, Judy, it was a horrible "publicity stunt" and one that 
> was 
> > > not successful at all.
> > 
> > As I said, it was extremely successful, got all
> > kinds of coverage at the time.  It did just what
> > publicity stunts are supposed to do: enticed
> > reporters to attend in order to hear the spiel,
> > in the hope that some of them will reproduce some 
> > of it in their news stories, which they did.  The
> > TM folks got to talk about the scientific research
> > on TM, including Nader's, and just generally pitch
> > TM and its theories as a formula for fixing the
> > world.
> 
> Yeah, it worked out really, really well.
> 
> It really increased the credibility of TM and the TMO in the eyes 
> of all the mainstream reporters that either attended the press 
> conference or read about it.  Yeah, they really took seriously a 
> purported scientist and grown man sitting on a scale having himself 
> weighed in gold.

They all knew it was a publicity stunt, Shemp.
But it was a splashy, fun story, and in order to
have a basis for publishing it, they had to put in
a little something about the TM research and the
goals of the movement, which was why the stunt
was devised in the first place.  It accomplished
exactly what the TMO wanted it to accomplish.

Reporters, and most people with any sense,
understand about publicity stunts.  They
enjoy the stunt and hopefully absorb a little
of the substance.

If you're objecting that they'd have found the
substance foolish, it's a different story, as I said:

> > Then your argument is with TM
> > for having such a spiel in the first place, not for
> > holding publicity stunts to promote the spiel.
> > That's what publicity stunts *do*, promote spiels.






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