On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong? Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years?
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> > into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome
> > programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to
> > them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.
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> > So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are
> > they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?
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> I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

Me too.

Let's please keep in mind though, that for some people this type of trauma can last many years or even a lifetime. A recent example, in the context of the TMO provides an example:

http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2012/07/recovering-from-transcendental.html


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> So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,
> so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?

I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go.

Thanks, but I'm fine.


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> > How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some
> > couples "evolution"?
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> > Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a
> > free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.
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> But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the
> advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem
> is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)

And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right?

Well hopefully it doesn't end in expulsion from college or whatever...

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