--- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2012, at 4:54 PM, lordknows888 wrote:
> > >
> > > Your words written today to Robin "If the walls of Sunnyside had  
> > > decided to talk, they couldn't have spoken with more honesty and  
> > > integrity. And bravery." ring in my heart and mind not because 
> > > they are complimentary, but because it brings to mind all that 
> > > happened at Sunnyside, the horrific confrontations, the blood 
> > > on the floor metaphorically speaking. There were a lot of good 
> > > people that got filleted by Robin there as you know. The fact 
> > > that there was only one attempted suicide is remarkable. I saw 
> > > another friend go into a full blown nervous breakdown right in 
> > > front of me and much much more.
> > 
> > It is rather fortunate that something way more serious did not 
> > occur. The key point in demonic confrontation where the person 
> > has to make the willful decision to "jump" - or languish in old 
> > patterns - has to be an extremely fragile state. In Tibetan 
> > Buddhist practices that aim at a similar disconnect there are 
> > numerous safeguards in place for the practitioner.
> > 
> > But for the WTS confrontation participant, there were no 
> > safeguards, no spiritual elders to guide or console and in fact 
> > if one "failed" at reintegration, they were often cast out 
> > into the cold.
> 
> Have you noticed, Vaj, that (as far as I've been able
> to tell) zero attempts to deal with the actual *content*
> of the things LordKnows posted about Sunnyside? The 
> suicide attempts, the "confrontations" that resulted
> in psychic distress or trauma to those they were aimed
> at? It's as if there is a total silence among the Robin
> Groupies about this. 
> 
> Instead, they've been focusing on either "Bu..bu...but
> he's *changed*," or on playing Shoot The Messenger. I
> find this behavior in the present almost scarier than
> LK's tales of the past. 
> 
> *Especially* with regard to Ann, who after all is in  
> the fairly unique position of being able to dispute LK's
> claims, were they false. The fact that she hasn't seems
> to reinforce them as true. The fact that she seems to
> be focusing on doing anything she possibly can to suck
> up to Robin and get him to notice and interact with her 
> again in the present, 25 years later, is even scarier. 
> 
> The "baggage" created as a result of "investing" in a
> charismatic naricssist is heavy, and dangerous. Is it
> *really* that hard for people to say, "I was wrong?"

I don't know Barry, is it? You go first.
>


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