--- In [email protected], awoelflebater <no_reply@...> wrote:
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>
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> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Have you noticed, Vaj, that (as far as I've been able
> > > to tell) zero attempts to deal with the actual *content*
> > > of the things LordKnows posted about Sunnyside? The
> > > suicide attempts,
> >
> > Notice the calculated multiplication here. Only one
> > suicide attempt was mentioned by Lord Knows.
> >
> > the "confrontations" that resulted
> > > in psychic distress or trauma to those they were aimed
> > > at? It's as if there is a total silence among the Robin
> > > Groupies about this.
> >
> > What does Barry imagine "dealing with" this content
> > would involve?
> >
> > Because Barry has scrupulously avoided reading Robin's
> > posts, he isn't aware, it seems, that Robin himself has
> > already told us--long since, in fact--that he had created
> > psychic distress and trauma among his followers. It's old
> > news.
> >
> > > Instead, they've been focusing on either "Bu..bu...but
> > > he's *changed*,"
> >
> > Yes, that he's changed would be the most significant
> > point to make in this context.
> >
> > > or on playing Shoot The Messenger.
> >
> > If the messenger brings a false message, he deserves to
> > be shot, as I've pointed out to Barry before. To claim
> > Robin has not changed, as Lord Knows has insisted, is a
> > false message in the view of those of us who are doing
> > the shooting.
> >
> > > I find this behavior in the present almost scarier than
> > > LK's tales of the past.
> >
> > Again, what would Barry consider appropriate behavior?
> > It appears that Barry is painfully disappointed that
> > LK's tales of the past have not caused those of us who
> > like Robin to turn from him in horror.
> >
> > > *Especially* with regard to Ann, who after all is in
> > > the fairly unique position of being able to dispute LK's
> > > claims, were they false. The fact that she hasn't seems
> > > to reinforce them as true.
> >
> > Not even Robin has denied LK's claims about what
> > happened in the past. To the contrary, he has
> > acknowledged that they are true. Just for example,
> > in a post to LK two days ago he wrote of the "good
> > and innocent persons who have suffered the trauma
> > and confusion of having been confronted in this
> > awful way by the person I was during those ten
> > years." And as noted, he had already acknowledged
> > this long before LK came on the scene.
> >
> > > The fact that she seems to
> > > be focusing on doing anything she possibly can to suck
> > > up to Robin and get him to notice and interact with her
> > > again in the present, 25 years later, is even scarier.
> >
> > It would be interesting for Barry to attempt to
> > cite examples of things Ann has purportedly done to
> > this end. She hasn't even addressed Robin.
> >
> > > The "baggage" created as a result of "investing" in a
> > > charismatic naricssist is heavy, and dangerous. Is it
> > > *really* that hard for people to say, "I was wrong?"
> >
> > Typically shallow and simplistic observation from Barry.
> >
> > In Ann's case, she told us early on that she had been
> > branded an "evil being" and expelled, and that she
> > went to the local newspaper and exposed what had been
> > going on, which led to the collapse of the group and
> > Robin's disgrace.
> >
> > So she's been through the acute "I was wrong" stage.
> > But over the course of the next 25 years, her
> > reflections on what she had gone through led her to
> > a different conclusion, and she now puts great value
> > on the experience, as harrowing as it had been toward
> > the end.
> >
> > Interestingly, this seems to have been the same
> > progression Barry himself has reported with regard
> > to his former guru Frederick Lenz, whose followers
> > apparently experienced similar trauma and distress
> > (including at least one actual suicide). Now Barry
> > feels no regret about his association with Lenz.
> >
> > But somehow Barry is shocked, shocked that Ann's
> > perspective on her time with Robin would have
> > undergone this type of development.
> >
> > This is especially interesting given that Barry's
> > guru committed suicide, whereas Robin embarked on
> > a grueling 25-year course of self-rehabilitation,
> > emerging as a person many of us here find sane and
> > admirable.
> >
>
> I would have to say that of all of the things that Judy as written this last
> paragraph is, for me, the most poignant and powerful. It is testimony to her
> and to Robin. If suicide can and often does indicate hopelessness, weakness,
> crushing despair then for Robin to have resisted, avoided, never contemplated
> let alone succumbed to the suicide route then he is a man of great faith,
> courage and strength. And Judy's perfect wording here conveyed the truth of
> this like no other. Frankly, it was almost a revelation.
>
Dear Ann,
Can I get you a fan?
You're swooning again.
Such a large volume of Kool-Aid can have that effect.
xoxoxo,
AzGrey
